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R.E.M Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 06.08.2005 : 508 : Novgorod The Great
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: , 4, 2005 9:19am : Òðóäíîñòè... |
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 ïðèíöèïå, òåìà ñìûñëà íå èìååò, ïðîñòî ìíå èíòåðåñíî çíàòü ñ êàêèìè òðóäíîñòÿìè, ëè÷íî âû, ñòîëêíóëèñü ïðè èçó÷åíèè àíãëèéñêîãî.
Íàïðèìåð ÿ, åãî åù¸ ó÷ó, è ïðîáëåìà ìîÿ òàêîâà:
Åñëè íå áðàòü â ñ÷¸ò ðàçëè÷íûå èçþìèíêè ýòîãî ÿçêà, òî ãëàâíàÿ ïàðèñòîñòü ó ìåíÿ ýòî áûñòðî ñîîáðàçèòü â êàêîì èìåííî âðåìåíè íóæíî ãîâîðèòü. 16 âðåì¸í íàãîíÿþò ïàíèêó è îòâåòèòü ÿ âàì ñìîãó, íî âàì ïðåä¸òñÿ ïîäîæäàòü ïîêà ÿ ñîïîñòàâëþ âñ¸ âðåìåíà è âûéñíþ â êàêîì èìåííî íóæíî ãîâîðèòü (è åù¸ íå ôàêò, ÷òî îíî âåðíîå).
Ïîäîçðåâàþ, ÷òî ïîòîì òðóäíîñòü áóäåò òîëüêî â íåçíàíèè ñëîâ.
À ñ êàêèìè çàòðóäíåíèÿìè, â ñâî¸ âðåìÿ, ñòîëêíóëèñü âû? _________________ Íå ïîíåìàþ çà÷åì çëîñëîâèòü, åñëè õî÷åøü íàñîëèòü êîìó-íèáóäü, äîñòàòî÷íî ñêàçàòü î í¸ì êàêóþ-íèáóäü... ïðàâäó. |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 4, 2005 9:29am : Re: Òðóäíîñòè... |
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Åñëè íå áðàòü â ñ÷¸ò ðàçëè÷íûå èçþìèíêè ýòîãî ÿçêà, òî ãëàâíàÿ ïàðèñòîñòü ó ìåíÿ ýòî áûñòðî ñîîáðàçèòü â êàêîì èìåííî âðåìåíè íóæíî ãîâîðèòü. 16 âðåì¸í íàãîíÿþò ïàíèêó è îòâåòèòü ÿ âàì ñìîãó, íî âàì ïðåä¸òñÿ ïîäîæäàòü ïîêà ÿ ñîïîñòàâëþ âñ¸ âðåìåíà è âûéñíþ â êàêîì èìåííî íóæíî ãîâîðèòü (è åù¸ íå ôàêò, ÷òî îíî âåðíîå). |
Ó ìåíÿ äî ñèõ ïîð òàêàÿ æå ïðîáëåìà _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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R.E.M Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 06.08.2005 : 508 : Novgorod The Great
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: , 4, 2005 9:32am : |
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ß à ïîñ÷èòàë ÷òî òåìó íóæíî â îáðàçîâàíèå, âîïðîñ âåäü ê òîìó âðåìåíè êîãäà âû ó÷èëèñü))) À â English Zone íàïèñàíî, ÷òî Only English)))) _________________ Íå ïîíåìàþ çà÷åì çëîñëîâèòü, åñëè õî÷åøü íàñîëèòü êîìó-íèáóäü, äîñòàòî÷íî ñêàçàòü î í¸ì êàêóþ-íèáóäü... ïðàâäó. |
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Helen_NJ Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 13.11.2003 : 1539 : NC, USA
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: , 5, 2005 11:15pm : |
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Äëÿ ìåíÿ ãëàâíîé òðóäíîñòüþ áûëî è ÿâëÿåòñÿ ïðîèçíîøåíèå - ôîíåòèêà àíãëèéñêîãî ñèëüíî îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò äðóãèõ ÿçûêîâ. Åùå ó íèõ âå÷íî ÷åðò ðàçáåðåò êàê ÷òî ÷èòàåòñÿ: ïîíàáðàëè ñëîâ èç ðàçíûõ ÿçûêîâ, à òåïåðü èíîãäà ñàìè ðàçîáðàòüñÿ íå ìîãóò.
Âðåìåíà äëÿ ìåíÿ ëè÷íî îñîáîé òðóäíîñòè íå ïðåäñòàâëÿþò, IMHO "ñëóõè ñèëüíî ïðåóâåëè÷åíû". Ìíîãèå ôîðìû òèïà "I had done" âñòðå÷àþòñÿ â îñíîâíîì â ëèòåðàòóðå, îñòàëüíîå âïîëíå èíòóèòèâíî ïîíÿòíî. Õîòÿ ìîæåò ìíå ïðîñòî ñ ïðåïîäàâàòåëÿìè ïîâåçëî... |
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anuta Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 02.11.2005 : 237 : Irkutsk-Daytona Beach-Philadelphia
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: , 6, 2005 4:39am : |
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ß ñîãëàñíà ñ Helen, îñíîâíàÿ òðóäíîñòü - ïðîèçíîøåíèå. Ñ ãðàììàòèêîé âðîäå áû ðàçîáðàëàñü, à âîò íåêîòîðûå ñëîâà ïðîñòî íå óäàåòñÿ ïðîèçíåñòè êàê ïîëîæåíî.
Helen_NJ (): |
Äëÿ ìåíÿ ãëàâíîé òðóäíîñòüþ áûëî è ÿâëÿåòñÿ ïðîèçíîøåíèå - ôîíåòèêà àíãëèéñêîãî ñèëüíî îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò äðóãèõ ÿçûêîâ. Åùå ó íèõ âå÷íî ÷åðò ðàçáåðåò êàê ÷òî ÷èòàåòñÿ: ïîíàáðàëè ñëîâ èç ðàçíûõ ÿçûêîâ, à òåïåðü èíîãäà ñàìè ðàçîáðàòüñÿ íå ìîãóò.
Âðåìåíà äëÿ ìåíÿ ëè÷íî îñîáîé òðóäíîñòè íå ïðåäñòàâëÿþò, IMHO "ñëóõè ñèëüíî ïðåóâåëè÷åíû". Ìíîãèå ôîðìû òèïà "I had done" âñòðå÷àþòñÿ â îñíîâíîì â ëèòåðàòóðå, îñòàëüíîå âïîëíå èíòóèòèâíî ïîíÿòíî. Õîòÿ ìîæåò ìíå ïðîñòî ñ ïðåïîäàâàòåëÿìè ïîâåçëî... |
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R.E.M Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 06.08.2005 : 508 : Novgorod The Great
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: , 6, 2005 11:59am : |
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íåêîòîðûå ñëîâà ïðîñòî íå óäàåòñÿ ïðîèçíåñòè êàê ïîëîæåíî. |
À òàì íàä ýòèì ïîäõèõèêèâàþò èëè ïîíåìàþùå îòíîñÿòñÿ?
(èçâèíòèëÿþñü çà òàêóþ ëþáàïûòíîñòü) _________________ Íå ïîíåìàþ çà÷åì çëîñëîâèòü, åñëè õî÷åøü íàñîëèòü êîìó-íèáóäü, äîñòàòî÷íî ñêàçàòü î í¸ì êàêóþ-íèáóäü... ïðàâäó. |
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anuta Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 02.11.2005 : 237 : Irkutsk-Daytona Beach-Philadelphia
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: , 6, 2005 3:56pm : |
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Äà, â îáùåì-òî íå õèõèêàþò. Õîòÿ, ñìîòðÿ êàêàÿ ñðåäà, ìíîãî çàâèñèò îò òîãî, ãäå âû ðàáîòàåòå, ñ êåì îáùàåòåñü è ïð.
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íåêîòîðûå ñëîâà ïðîñòî íå óäàåòñÿ ïðîèçíåñòè êàê ïîëîæåíî. |
À òàì íàä ýòèì ïîäõèõèêèâàþò èëè ïîíåìàþùå îòíîñÿòñÿ?
(èçâèíòèëÿþñü çà òàêóþ ëþáàïûòíîñòü) |
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Vice Versa Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
: 06.11.2005 : 77 : Moscou
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: , 7, 2005 9:24am : |
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Äà, ñîãëàñíà, ôîíåòèêà - ñàìàÿ òðóäíàÿ âåùü! Äàæå íå òîëüêî òî, ÷òî ñëîâà ìîãóò íåîæèäàííî ÷èòàòüñÿ, à âñå ýòè ðàçëè÷èÿ ìåæäó êðàòêèìè è äîëãèìè çâóêàìè, àñïèðàöèÿ è ïðî÷èå ïðèáàìáàñû! È èíòîíàöèÿ â àíãëèéñêîì ñîâñåì äðóãàÿ! Áåäà ïðîñòî! _________________ Ìèð òàêîé îãðîìíûé! |
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R.E.M Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 06.08.2005 : 508 : Novgorod The Great
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: , 7, 2005 2:47pm : |
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Ìåíÿ åù¸ ïóòàþò ñëîâà, êîòîðûå åñòü â ðóññêîì ÿçûêå. íó, ÷òîáû ñòàëî ïîíÿòíî ïðåâåäó ïðèìåð, íàïðèìåð:
Àòìîñôåðà. Âîò ñ òàêèìè ÿ ïàðóñü, íî ó íèõ åñòü ïëþñ, îíè ëåãêî çàïîìèíàþòñÿ... _________________ Íå ïîíåìàþ çà÷åì çëîñëîâèòü, åñëè õî÷åøü íàñîëèòü êîìó-íèáóäü, äîñòàòî÷íî ñêàçàòü î í¸ì êàêóþ-íèáóäü... ïðàâäó. |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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: , 7, 2005 4:11pm : |
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anuta (): |
Äà, â îáùåì-òî íå õèõèêàþò. Õîòÿ, ñìîòðÿ êàêàÿ ñðåäà, ìíîãî çàâèñèò îò òîãî, ãäå âû ðàáîòàåòå, ñ êåì îáùàåòåñü è ïð. |
Àãà... îñîáåííî â Íüþ Éîðêå. Õî÷ó ïîñìîòåðòü ñêîëüêî çäåñü ñóìååò ïðîæèòü ÷åëîâåê âçäóìàâøèé õèõèêàòü íàä ÷óæèì àêöåíòîì |
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Vice Versa Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
: 06.11.2005 : 77 : Moscou
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: , 7, 2005 5:53pm : |
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R.E.M.
Òàê íå âñåãäà ëåã÷å òàêèå ñëîâà çàïîìèíàòü, îíè ìîãóò îêàçàòüñÿ "ëîæíûìè äðóçüÿìè ïåðåâîä÷èêà". Íàïðèìåð, velvet, ñîâñåì íå âåëüâåò, à áàðõàò. _________________ Ìèð òàêîé îãðîìíûé! |
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Helen_NJ Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 13.11.2003 : 1539 : NC, USA
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: , 8, 2005 12:33am : |
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À òàì íàä ýòèì ïîäõèõèêèâàþò èëè ïîíåìàþùå îòíîñÿòñÿ? |
 îñíîâíîì îòíîñÿòñÿ íîðìàëüíî, ìîãóò äàæå ïîèíòåðåñîâàòüñÿ, ÷òî ýòî çà òàêîé ìèëåíüêèé àêöåíòèê. Íî âñòðå÷àþòñÿ è îòäåëüíûå ñíîáû. Ïðàâäà òàêèõ îáû÷íî ìîæíî îñàäèòü ïðîñòûì âîïðîñîì "Well, how many languages do you speak?". |
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Helen_NJ Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 13.11.2003 : 1539 : NC, USA
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: , 8, 2005 12:35am : |
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Vice Versa (): |
Äà, ñîãëàñíà, ôîíåòèêà - ñàìàÿ òðóäíàÿ âåùü! Äàæå íå òîëüêî òî, ÷òî ñëîâà ìîãóò íåîæèäàííî ÷èòàòüñÿ, à âñå ýòè ðàçëè÷èÿ ìåæäó êðàòêèìè è äîëãèìè çâóêàìè, àñïèðàöèÿ è ïðî÷èå ïðèáàìáàñû! È èíòîíàöèÿ â àíãëèéñêîì ñîâñåì äðóãàÿ! Áåäà ïðîñòî! |
Äà óæ! Ðàçíèöà ìåæäó ïóñòûíåé è äåñåðòîì ïðàêòè÷åñêè òîëüêî â óäàðåíèè. |
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R.E.M Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 06.08.2005 : 508 : Novgorod The Great
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: , 8, 2005 11:26am : |
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"Well, how many languages do you speak?"
À îí òåáå â îòâåò íà ðóññêîì: Èñïàíñêèé, Ôðàíöóçñêóé, Àëáàíñêèé...=) _________________ Íå ïîíåìàþ çà÷åì çëîñëîâèòü, åñëè õî÷åøü íàñîëèòü êîìó-íèáóäü, äîñòàòî÷íî ñêàçàòü î í¸ì êàêóþ-íèáóäü... ïðàâäó. |
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Sticky_Eecky Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 11.04.2005 : 164 : Chicago, IL
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: , 8, 2005 11:56am : |
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À òàì íàä ýòèì ïîäõèõèêèâàþò èëè ïîíåìàþùå îòíîñÿòñÿ?
(èçâèíòèëÿþñü çà òàêóþ ëþáàïûòíîñòü) |
Ïóñòü òîëüêî õèõèêíóò... åùå ïðîáëåìà â òîì, ÷òî íàñ çäåñü â áîëüøèíñòâå ó÷åáíûõ çàâåäåíèé ó÷àò àíãëèéñêîìó, íî íå àìåðèêàíñêîìó... Õîòÿ óæå âåñü ìèð áîëüøå ïåðåñòðàèâàåòñÿ íà àìåðèêàíñêèé âàðèàíò, íà èõ ïðîèçíîøåíèå... _________________ I swear it couldn`t be sweeter, Life`s a bitch. Depending on how u treat her, U might get rich. |
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Sticky_Eecky Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 11.04.2005 : 164 : Chicago, IL
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: , 8, 2005 11:57am : |
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Vice Versa (): |
Òàê íå âñåãäà ëåã÷å òàêèå ñëîâà çàïîìèíàòü, îíè ìîãóò îêàçàòüñÿ "ëîæíûìè äðóçüÿìè ïåðåâîä÷èêà". Íàïðèìåð, velvet, ñîâñåì íå âåëüâåò, à áàðõàò. |
Òîæå ëèíãâèñò? _________________ I swear it couldn`t be sweeter, Life`s a bitch. Depending on how u treat her, U might get rich. |
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Vice Versa Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
: 06.11.2005 : 77 : Moscou
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: , 8, 2005 4:10pm : |
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îí ñàìûé! òîëüêî áóäóùèé... _________________ Ìèð òàêîé îãðîìíûé! |
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Sticky_Eecky Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 11.04.2005 : 164 : Chicago, IL
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: , 9, 2005 11:44am : |
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Vice Versa (): |
îí ñàìûé! òîëüêî áóäóùèé... |
ß óæå íàñòîÿùèé.. Âðîäå êàê À äîëãî åùå áóäóùåìó ëèíãâèñòó îñòàëîñü ó÷èòñÿ?
Ëèíãàôîííûå êàáèíåòû, ñðàâíèòåëüíîå ÿçûêîçíàíèå, òåîðèÿ ïåðåâîäà, ïðàêòèêóì ñ åãî "ëîæíûìè äðóçüÿìè ïåðåâîä÷èêà" - êàê ñåé÷àñ ïåðåä ãëàçàìè âñòàþò ó ìåíÿ _________________ I swear it couldn`t be sweeter, Life`s a bitch. Depending on how u treat her, U might get rich. |
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Helen_NJ Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 13.11.2003 : 1539 : NC, USA
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: , 10, 2005 12:46am : |
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"Well, how many languages do you speak?"
À îí òåáå â îòâåò íà ðóññêîì: Èñïàíñêèé, Ôðàíöóçñêóé, Àëáàíñêèé...=) |
Ëþäè, êîòîðûå ñàìè çíàþò íåñêîëüêî ÿçûêîâ, îáû÷íî íàä ÷óæèì ïðîíîíñîì êàê ðàç íå ïîäõèõèêèâàþò. |
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R.E.M Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 06.08.2005 : 508 : Novgorod The Great
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: , 10, 2005 11:26am : |
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Òû ïðàâà., à âîîáùå, êëàññíûé îòâåò. Çàòêíåøü åãî ðàç è íàâñåãäà... _________________ Íå ïîíåìàþ çà÷åì çëîñëîâèòü, åñëè õî÷åøü íàñîëèòü êîìó-íèáóäü, äîñòàòî÷íî ñêàçàòü î í¸ì êàêóþ-íèáóäü... ïðàâäó. |
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