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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷

: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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Îáñóæäåíèå ñòàòüè "Êóðüåçû þðèñïðóäåíöèè". _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ 
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð

: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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| Íàñ÷åò äóðàöêèõ çàêîíîâ. Ìîæåò áûòü êòî-íèáóäü (íàïðèìåð, þðèñòû) ðàññêàæåò, èç-çà ÷åãî îíè âîçíèêàþò. Áûëî áû î÷åíü èíòåðåñíî! |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷

: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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| Íàñ÷åò äóðàöêèõ çàêîíîâ. Ìîæåò áûòü êòî-íèáóäü (íàïðèìåð, þðèñòû) ðàññêàæåò, èç-çà ÷åãî îíè âîçíèêàþò. Áûëî áû î÷åíü èíòåðåñíî! |
Çàêîíîäàòåëè ñ ÷óâñòâîì þìîðà.  _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ  |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷

: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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| Íàñ÷åò äóðàöêèõ çàêîíîâ. Ìîæåò áûòü êòî-íèáóäü (íàïðèìåð, þðèñòû) ðàññêàæåò, èç-çà ÷åãî îíè âîçíèêàþò. Áûëî áû î÷åíü èíòåðåñíî! |
Ïðåöåäåíòíàÿ ñèñòåìà... Âîò òîëüêî ïî÷åìó âñå âñ¸ ïîíèìàþò (íàäåþñü), íî âñå æå ëåïÿò ýòè äóðàöêèå çàêîíû  _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ  |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà

: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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Ëèñòàÿ ñòàðûå æóðíàëû?
×åãî ýòî âäðóã òàêèå äðåâíèå òåìû âñïëûâàþò? |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷

: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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Ëèñòàÿ ñòàðûå æóðíàëû?
×åãî ýòî âäðóã òàêèå äðåâíèå òåìû âñïëûâàþò? |
Ðåøèë ôîðóì "Îáñóæäåíèå" ïîä÷èñòèòü, òàê êàê òàì ìíîãî ïóñòûõ è äàâíî óæå íåàêòóàëüíûõ òîïèêîâ... _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ  |
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Sticky_Eecky Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 11.04.2005 : 164 : Chicago, IL
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| Íàñ÷åò äóðàöêèõ çàêîíîâ. Ìîæåò áûòü êòî-íèáóäü (íàïðèìåð, þðèñòû) ðàññêàæåò, èç-çà ÷åãî îíè âîçíèêàþò. Áûëî áû î÷åíü èíòåðåñíî! |
Ïî÷åìó æå äóðàöêèå? â ñâîå âðåìÿ îíè áûëè äîâîëüíî àêòóàëüíû... Ïðîñòî ñî âðåìåíåì î íèõ ïðîñòî çàáûëè, à ò.ê. èõ íå îòìåíèëè, ôîðìàëüíî îíè ïðîäîëæàþò äåéñòâîâàòü....
Àìåðèêàíñêàÿ ñèñòåìà ïðàâà ñóùåñòâåííî îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò íàøåé. Íåñìîòðÿ íà âñå íåäîñòàòêè íàøèõ çàêîíîâ, íàøà ñèñòåìà ïðàâà îòëè÷àåòñÿ ñòðîéíîñòüþ è èåðàðõè÷íîñòüþ. ×åì àìåðèêàíñêîå ïðàâî ïîõâàñòàòüñÿ íå ìîæåò... _________________ I swear it couldn`t be sweeter, Life`s a bitch. Depending on how u treat her, U might get rich. |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷

: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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| Ïî÷åìó æå äóðàöêèå? â ñâîå âðåìÿ îíè áûëè äîâîëüíî àêòóàëüíû... |
Ñëûøàë, ÷òî åñòü çàêîí, çàïðåùàþùèé ìûòü îñëà â âàííîé... ×åì îí ìîã áûòü àêòóàëåí? _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ  |
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Sticky_Eecky Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 11.04.2005 : 164 : Chicago, IL
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Ñëûøàë, ÷òî åñòü çàêîí, çàïðåùàþùèé ìûòü îñëà â âàííîé... ×åì îí ìîã áûòü àêòóàëåí? |
Äà êòî æ èõ çíàåò... Âèäèìî êàêîãî òî ìåñòíîãî çàêîíîäàòåëÿ ðàçäðàæàëî, êîãäà åãî ñîñåä ìûë ñâîåãî îñëà â åãî âàííå... Âîò îí è îñòàíîâèë òàêîé áåñïîðÿäîê íà çàêîíîäàòåëüíîì óðîâíå ))
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| Íåñìîòðÿ íà âñå íåäîñòàòêè íàøèõ çàêîíîâ, íàøà ñèñòåìà ïðàâà îòëè÷àåòñÿ ñòðîéíîñòüþ è èåðàðõè÷íîñòüþ. ×åì àìåðèêàíñêîå ïðàâî ïîõâàñòàòüñÿ íå ìîæåò... |
Ó íèõ ìåñòíûå çàêîíîäàòåëè ñ ïîìîùüþ çàêîíîâ ïûòàëèñü óðåãóëèðîâàòü âñå ñòîðîíû æèçíè, äàæå òå, êîòîðûå â ïðèíöèïå íå ïîäëåæàò òàêîìó ðåãóëèðîâàíèþ... Âñå èç-çà òîãî ÷òî íåò îñíîâíîãî çàêîíà, â êîòîðîì áû áûëî ÷åòêî óêàçàíî, ÷òî ìîæíî ðåãóëèðîâàòü çàêîíàìè, êàêèå ñòîðîíû æèçíè è êàêèìè ñïîñîáàìè... Íàäåþñü ìíîãèå çäåñü âèäåëè è ÷èòàëè èõ Êîíñòèòóöèþ... _________________ I swear it couldn`t be sweeter, Life`s a bitch. Depending on how u treat her, U might get rich. |
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Åâãåíèé Íîâè÷îê

: 24.10.2005 : 17
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Ýòî ñëîæèëîñü èñòîðè÷åñêè.
Ðàíüøå , êàê óæå ãîâîðèëè ýòè çàêîíû áûëè àêòóàëüíû.
Ñåé÷àñ íåò.
×èòàë, ÷òî ñîçäàíà ñïåöèàëüíàÿ êîìèñèÿ äëÿ ðàññìîòðåíèÿ è îòìåíû "ãëóïûõ" çàêîíîâ! _________________ Áóäóþùåå ñîçäàåòñÿ ñåãîäíÿ |
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Sticky_Eecky Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 11.04.2005 : 164 : Chicago, IL
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| ×èòàë, ÷òî ñîçäàíà ñïåöèàëüíàÿ êîìèñèÿ äëÿ ðàññìîòðåíèÿ è îòìåíû "ãëóïûõ" çàêîíîâ! |
Óãó.. Òîëüêî îíè ïîãðÿçíóò â ýòèõ çàêîíàõ... Èõ ñëèøêîì ìíîãî... Ñ÷èòàé â êàæäîì øòàòå ñâîè çàêîíû, â êàæäîì îêðóãå è äàæå â ñàìîì ìàëåíüêîì ãîðîäèøêå! Îñòàåòñÿ òîëüêî ïîæåëàòü ýòîé êîìèññèè îãðîìíîãî òåðïåíèÿ _________________ I swear it couldn`t be sweeter, Life`s a bitch. Depending on how u treat her, U might get rich. |
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FFresh Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 13.11.2004 : 470 : Moscow
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| ×èòàë, ÷òî ñîçäàíà ñïåöèàëüíàÿ êîìèñèÿ äëÿ ðàññìîòðåíèÿ è îòìåíû "ãëóïûõ" çàêîíîâ! |
Óãó.. Òîëüêî îíè ïîãðÿçíóò â ýòèõ çàêîíàõ... Èõ ñëèøêîì ìíîãî... Ñ÷èòàé â êàæäîì øòàòå ñâîè çàêîíû, â êàæäîì îêðóãå è äàæå â ñàìîì ìàëåíüêîì ãîðîäèøêå! Îñòàåòñÿ òîëüêî ïîæåëàòü ýòîé êîìèññèè îãðîìíîãî òåðïåíèÿ |
Ïðåäëîæèë áû ýòîé êîìèññèè èçäàòü Çàêîí ïî Çàïðåùåíèþ Èçäàâàòü Ãëóïûå Çàêîíû!  _________________ You never know what the future will bring you. |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð

: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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| ×èòàë, ÷òî ñîçäàíà ñïåöèàëüíàÿ êîìèñèÿ äëÿ ðàññìîòðåíèÿ è îòìåíû "ãëóïûõ" çàêîíîâ! |
Óãó.. Òîëüêî îíè ïîãðÿçíóò â ýòèõ çàêîíàõ... Èõ ñëèøêîì ìíîãî... Ñ÷èòàé â êàæäîì øòàòå ñâîè çàêîíû, â êàæäîì îêðóãå è äàæå â ñàìîì ìàëåíüêîì ãîðîäèøêå! Îñòàåòñÿ òîëüêî ïîæåëàòü ýòîé êîìèññèè îãðîìíîãî òåðïåíèÿ |
Ïðåäëîæèë áû ýòîé êîìèññèè èçäàòü Çàêîí ïî Çàïðåùåíèþ Èçäàâàòü Ãëóïûå Çàêîíû!  |
À êàêîé çàêîí ñ÷èòàòü ãëóïûì?
Òîãäà ïðèäåòñÿ èçäàòü çàêîí, êîòîðûé îáãîâîðèâàåò ýòî. À ýòî êàêîé-òî ãëóïûé çàêîí...  |
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Sticky_Eecky Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 11.04.2005 : 164 : Chicago, IL
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Òîãäà ïðèäåòñÿ èçäàòü çàêîí, êîòîðûé îáãîâîðèâàåò ýòî. À ýòî êàêîé-òî ãëóïûé çàêîí...  |
Ýòî áóäåò ñàìûé ãëóïûé çàêîí È ïîòîì äëÿ åãî îòìåíû ïðèäåòñÿ ñîçäàâàòü åùå îäíó êîìèññèþ
À åñëè ñåðüåçíî, òî íà óðîâíå Êîíñòèòóöèè ìîæíî áûëî áû äàâíî ðåøèòü äàííóþ ïðîáëåìó, ÷òî ìîæíî ðåãëàìåíòèðîâàòü íà çàêîíîäàòåëüíîì óðîâíå, à ÷òî íåëüçÿ... _________________ I swear it couldn`t be sweeter, Life`s a bitch. Depending on how u treat her, U might get rich. |
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FFresh Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 13.11.2004 : 470 : Moscow
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Òîãäà ïðèäåòñÿ èçäàòü çàêîí, êîòîðûé îáãîâîðèâàåò ýòî. À ýòî êàêîé-òî ãëóïûé çàêîí...  |
Ýòî áóäåò ñàìûé ãëóïûé çàêîí È ïîòîì äëÿ åãî îòìåíû ïðèäåòñÿ ñîçäàâàòü åùå îäíó êîìèññèþ
À åñëè ñåðüåçíî, òî íà óðîâíå Êîíñòèòóöèè ìîæíî áûëî áû äàâíî ðåøèòü äàííóþ ïðîáëåìó, ÷òî ìîæíî ðåãëàìåíòèðîâàòü íà çàêîíîäàòåëüíîì óðîâíå, à ÷òî íåëüçÿ... |
Ò.å. êàê ðàç ïîëó÷àåòñÿ "Çàêîí ïî Çàïðåùåíèþ Èçäàâàòü Ãëóïûå Çàêîíû"! È âñå áû îíè îêîí÷àòåëüíî óòîíóëè â áþðîêðàòèè  _________________ You never know what the future will bring you. |
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Debaser Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 28.03.2003 : 941 : Cleveland, OH
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| [ Âñå èç-çà òîãî ÷òî íåò îñíîâíîãî çàêîíà, â êîòîðîì áû áûëî ÷åòêî óêàçàíî, ÷òî ìîæíî ðåãóëèðîâàòü çàêîíàìè, êàêèå ñòîðîíû æèçíè è êàêèìè ñïîñîáàìè... Íàäåþñü ìíîãèå çäåñü âèäåëè è ÷èòàëè èõ Êîíñòèòóöèþ... |
Íå ïîíÿë... âî-ïåðâûx, îñíîâíîé çàêîí åñòü, òî åñòü êîíñòèòèóöèÿ USA. Òàê æå åñòü êîíñòèòèóöèÿ ó êàæäîãî øòàòà... _________________

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Debaser Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 28.03.2003 : 941 : Cleveland, OH
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Ýòî ñëîæèëîñü èñòîðè÷åñêè.
Ðàíüøå , êàê óæå ãîâîðèëè ýòè çàêîíû áûëè àêòóàëüíû.
Ñåé÷àñ íåò.
×èòàë, ÷òî ñîçäàíà ñïåöèàëüíàÿ êîìèñèÿ äëÿ ðàññìîòðåíèÿ è îòìåíû "ãëóïûõ" çàêîíîâ! |
Òàêàÿ êîìèññèÿ íåâîçìîæíà â ïðèíöèïå. Åñëè îíà ñîçäàíà íà ôåäåðàëüíîì óðîâíå, òî èçìåíåíèå çàêîíîâ øòàòîâ âíå åå þðèñäèêöèè. Åñëè îíà áûëà äîçäàíà â îäíîì èç øòàòîâ, òî ïîíÿòíî ÷òî íà äðóãèå øòàòû åå ðåøåíèÿ òîæå ðàñïðîñòðàíÿòüñÿ íå ìîãóò. _________________
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Sticky_Eecky Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 11.04.2005 : 164 : Chicago, IL
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Íå ïîíÿë... âî-ïåðâûx, îñíîâíîé çàêîí åñòü, òî åñòü êîíñòèòèóöèÿ USA. Òàê æå åñòü êîíñòèòèóöèÿ ó êàæäîãî øòàòà... |
Äà, îñíîâíîé çàêîí=Êîíñòèòóöèÿ åñòü, íî êàêîé...
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| Íàäåþñü ìíîãèå çäåñü âèäåëè è ÷èòàëè èõ Êîíñòèòóöèþ... |
Óæ î÷åíü ñòàðîâàò äàííûé èñòî÷íèê ïðàâà, ÷òîáû ïðåòåíäîâàòü íà çâàíèå îñíîâíîãî çàêîíà... Ìíîãèå îñíîâíûå ïðèíöèïû ïðàâà â íåì íå çàêðåïëåíû, ïîòîìó è âîçíèêàåò äàííûé áåñïîðÿäîê ñ çàêîíàìè...
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| Òàêàÿ êîìèññèÿ íåâîçìîæíà â ïðèíöèïå. Åñëè îíà ñîçäàíà íà ôåäåðàëüíîì óðîâíå, òî èçìåíåíèå çàêîíîâ øòàòîâ âíå åå þðèñäèêöèè. |
ß òîæå òàê äóìàþ. _________________ I swear it couldn`t be sweeter, Life`s a bitch. Depending on how u treat her, U might get rich. |
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Slava ÍËÎ

: 10.03.2003 : 4182 : at this moment Stamford CT
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| Òàêàÿ êîìèññèÿ íåâîçìîæíà â ïðèíöèïå. Åñëè îíà ñîçäàíà íà ôåäåðàëüíîì óðîâíå, òî èçìåíåíèå çàêîíîâ øòàòîâ âíå åå þðèñäèêöèè. |
ß òîæå òàê äóìàþ. |
Êîìèññèÿ òàêè âîçìîæíà... Âîò òîëüêî áþðîêðàòèè íå îáåðåøñÿ. Ïîòîìó êàê íàäî áóäåò êîìèññèÿ äëÿ ôåäåðàëîâ, øòàòîâ, ðàéîíîâ, ãîðîäîâ è âñÿêèõ äåðåâåíü  _________________ Good judgment comes from expirience.
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷

: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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Ýòî ñëîæèëîñü èñòîðè÷åñêè.
Ðàíüøå , êàê óæå ãîâîðèëè ýòè çàêîíû áûëè àêòóàëüíû.
Ñåé÷àñ íåò.
×èòàë, ÷òî ñîçäàíà ñïåöèàëüíàÿ êîìèñèÿ äëÿ ðàññìîòðåíèÿ è îòìåíû "ãëóïûõ" çàêîíîâ! |
Òàêàÿ êîìèññèÿ íåâîçìîæíà â ïðèíöèïå. Åñëè îíà ñîçäàíà íà ôåäåðàëüíîì óðîâíå, òî èçìåíåíèå çàêîíîâ øòàòîâ âíå åå þðèñäèêöèè. Åñëè îíà áûëà äîçäàíà â îäíîì èç øòàòîâ, òî ïîíÿòíî ÷òî íà äðóãèå øòàòû åå ðåøåíèÿ òîæå ðàñïðîñòðàíÿòüñÿ íå ìîãóò. |
Ýòî íå êîìèññèÿ, à ÷òî-òî âðîäå îáùåñòâà, êîòîðûå âûñòóïàþò ïðîòèâ ýòèõ çàêîíîâ. _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ  |
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