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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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: , 28, 2008 6:15am : Òðàíñëèòåðàöèÿ ôàìèëèé è ïåðåâîä äîëæíîñòåé |
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Äàëè âîò ìíå òóò çàäàíèå: òàáëè÷êè ïåðåâåñòè íà àíãëèéñêèé.
ß îòâåòèë, ÷òî íèôèãà íå ïåðåâîä÷èê, îäíàêî "íó óæ êàê-íèáóäü" ïîïðîñèëè ñäåëàòü. ×òîáû "óæ êàê-íèáóäü" ïîëó÷èëîñü ïîëó÷øå , îáðàùàþñü çà ñîâåòîì.
Âî-ïåðâûõ, èìåíà-ôàìèëèè. Â îáùåì, òóò âñå ïîíÿòíî, òîëüêî ñìóùàþò íåêîòîðûå ìîìåíòû. Äåéñòâèòåëüíî ëè "É" è "ß" òðàíñëèòåðèðóþòñÿ êàê JI è JA? ß ðàíüøå âñåãäà äóìàë, ÷òî YA.
Òî åñòü, "Ðàçÿïîâíà" ïðàâèëüíî ïåðåâåñòè òàê: "Razjapovna"?
À "Þðüåâíà" - "Jurevna"?
Ïðàâèëüíî ëè ϸòð ïåðåâîäèòü êàê Peter? Èëè ëó÷øå îñòàâèòü Petr?
"Èëüè÷" ïîñëå òðàíñëèòåðàöèè ñîâåðøåííî íå ÷èòàåòñÿ è íå âîñïðèíèìàåòñÿ - Ilich. Òàê è îñòàâëÿòü ïðèäåòñÿ?
Òåïåðü ìîìåíòû ïîñëîæíåå. Ïåðåâîä íåêîòîðûõ äîëæíîñòåé.
"Ãëàâíûé òåõíîëîã" ÿ ïåðåâåë êàê "Chief Process Engineer".
"Äèðåêòîð ïî êà÷åñòâó", "ëàáîðàòîðèÿ ôèçèêî-õèìè÷åñêèõ èñïûòàíèé" è "áàêëàáîðàòîðèÿ" ÿ âîîáùå íèêàê íå ñìîã ïåðåâåñòè.
À âîò ýòî ëåãêîå, íî ÿ òîæå íå óâåðåí, êàê íàäî:
"ïîñòîðîííèì âõîä âîñïðåùåí"
"ìîå÷íàÿ" |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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: , 28, 2008 5:20pm : |
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Ïî òðàíñëèòó ÷èòàòü òóò è òóò
Èìåíà ëó÷øå òðàícëèòèðèðîâàòü ÷åì áðàòü àíàëîãè÷íîå èìÿ èç äðóãîãî ÿçûêà, íî òóò ïîëåçíî áóäåò ïðîñòî ñïðîñèòü ó ñàìèõ ýòèõ ëþäåé. Ìîæåøü åùå ïîïðîñèòü ïîñìîòðåòü êàê ó íèõ â îôèöèàëüíûõ äîêóìåíòàõ íàïèñàíî (â çàãðàíïàñïîðòå òàì èëè ïðàâàõ ìåæäóíàðîäíûõ).
Èëüè÷ îáû÷íî òðàíñëèòåðèðóåòñÿ êàê Ilyich. Íó ïîãóãëè Ëåíèíà íàïðèìåð
Ïåðåâîä äîëæíîñòåé.... Ýòî äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñàìàÿ ñëîæíàÿ ÷àñòü. Òóò ÿ ñàì â çàòðóäíåíèÿõ... |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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: , 28, 2008 7:17pm : |
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White Owl (): |
Ïî òðàíñëèòó ÷èòàòü òóò è òóò
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Î! Ãðàí ìåðñè!
Ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî ÿ, çíà÷èò, òîæå ïðàâèëüíî äóìàë. Ìîæíî è JA è YA. Îáà âàðèàíòà ïðîõîäÿò.
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Èìåíà ëó÷øå òðàícëèòèðèðîâàòü ÷åì áðàòü àíàëîãè÷íîå èìÿ èç äðóãîãî ÿçûêà, íî òóò ïîëåçíî áóäåò ïðîñòî ñïðîñèòü ó ñàìèõ ýòèõ ëþäåé. Ìîæåøü åùå ïîïðîñèòü ïîñìîòðåòü êàê ó íèõ â îôèöèàëüíûõ äîêóìåíòàõ íàïèñàíî (â çàãðàíïàñïîðòå òàì èëè ïðàâàõ ìåæäóíàðîäíûõ).
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Âî, ïîñîâåòóþ òîé æåíùèíå, êîòîðàÿ ìíå ýòî äåëî ïîðó÷èëà, ó íèõ è ñïðîñèòü.
ß èì ïîñîâåòîâàë íàíÿòü ïðîôåññèîíàëüíîãî ïåðåâîä÷èêà, íî ýòîò âàðèàíò èì ïî÷åìó-òî íå íðàâèòñÿ.
White Owl (): |
Èëüè÷ îáû÷íî òðàíñëèòåðèðóåòñÿ êàê Ilyich. Íó ïîãóãëè Ëåíèíà íàïðèìåð
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Òî÷íî! Êàê ýòî ÿ Ëåíèíà òî ïîçàáûë. Ïî÷òà, òåëåãðàô... Ìàóçåð.
Ilyich ìíå áîëüøå íðàâèòñÿ, ÷åì Ilich. Ó ñàìîãî Èëüè÷à ñïðàøèâàòü íå õî÷åòñÿ. Îí çàíÿò î÷åíü, åùå íà÷íåò âîð÷àòü. Äèðåêòîð âñå-òàêè.
White Owl (): |
Ïåðåâîä äîëæíîñòåé.... Ýòî äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñàìàÿ ñëîæíàÿ ÷àñòü. Òóò ÿ ñàì â çàòðóäíåíèÿõ... |
Íó òóò ÿ íàäåþñü, ÷òî, ìîæåò áûòü, íàéäóòñÿ ëþäè, êîòîðûå â Àìåðèêå (èëè â Áðèòàíèè - Áðèòàíèÿ äàæå ïðåäïî÷òèòåëüíåé, ïîòîìó ÷òî íàø ñàìûé ãëàâíûé øåô êàê ðàç øîòëàíäåö) ðàáîòàþò íà ïðåäïðèÿòèÿõ, ãäå åñòü òàêèå äîëæíîñòè. È îíè ïðîñòî ýòî çíàþò, ïîòîìó ÷òî ñòàëêèâàþòñÿ åæåäíåâíî.
Ñïàñèáî, White Owl! |
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Genady Íîâè÷îê
: 28.01.2004 : 19 : Western Mass,USA
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: , 28, 2008 8:33pm : |
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Working in corporate America came across such titles:
"Ãëàâíûé òåõíîëîã" ÿ ïåðåâåë êàê "Chief Process Engineer".
can be called ''Senior Process Engineer''
"Äèðåêòîð ïî êà÷åñòâó", can be:'' Q.C Engineer-''Quality Control Engineer. ( never heard Director)
ëàáîðàòîðèÿ ôèçèêî-õèìè÷åñêèõ èñïûòàíèé" -can be Chemistry &Physics Lab
áàêëàáîðàòîðèÿ" I doubt if it's correct, may be'' back up Lab''?
ïîñòîðîííèì âõîä âîñïðåùåí" Often seen on doors similar ''Authorized Personell Only!
ìîå÷íàÿ"- can be many things
Washing Station- Parts Washing Station- Emergency Eye Washing Station
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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: , 28, 2008 8:49pm : |
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Genady (): |
Working in corporate America came across such titles:
"Ãëàâíûé òåõíîëîã" ÿ ïåðåâåë êàê "Chief Process Engineer".
can be called ''Senior Process Engineer''
"Äèðåêòîð ïî êà÷åñòâó", can be:'' Q.C Engineer-''Quality Control Engineer. ( never heard Director)
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À, âîò, äà. Ñïàñèáî!
Genady (): |
ëàáîðàòîðèÿ ôèçèêî-õèìè÷åñêèõ èñïûòàíèé" -can be Chemistry &Physics Lab
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Òîæå, äóìàþ, èäåàëüíî ïîäõîäèò!
Genady (): |
áàêëàáîðàòîðèÿ" I doubt if it's correct, may be'' back up Lab''?
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Íå-å... Áýêàï òóò íè ïðè ÷åì. Ýòî ëàáîðàòîðèÿ, ãäå ïðîâåðÿþò, ñêîêà â ìîëîêå áàêòåðèé è êàêèõ. Òî åñòü, áàêòåðèàëüíàÿ (ñóäÿ ïî âñåìó) ëàáîðàòîðèÿ. Îíè áëèí "ìîëîäöû" - ìíå æå äàëè ñîêðàùåííîå íàçâàíèå.
Genady (): |
ïîñòîðîííèì âõîä âîñïðåùåí" Often seen on doors similar ''Authorized Personell Only!
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À ïðîñòî "Personell Only" ïèøóò? Èëè ñòðîãî ñî ñëîâîì "'Authorized"?
Genady (): |
ìîå÷íàÿ"- can be many things
Washing Station- Parts Washing Station- Emergency Eye Washing Station
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ß ïîäîçðåâàþ, ÷òî â ìîå÷íîé ìîþò èíñòðóìåíò èç ëàáîðàòîðèè. Õîòÿ è íå óâåðåí.  òàêîì ñëó÷àå, íàâåðíîå, ëó÷øå âñåãî ïîäõîäèò "Washing Room"? Õîòÿ íà çàâîäå åñòü åùå è ïðà÷å÷íàÿ, ãäå ñòèðàþò ñïåöîäåæäó. È ýòî ñîâñåì äðóãàÿ øòóêà, íå ìîå÷íàÿ.
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Hope it helped. |
Ãðàí ìåðñè! Ïîìîæåò, êîíå÷íî. |
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Helen_NJ Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 13.11.2003 : 1539 : NC, USA
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: , 28, 2008 11:10pm : Re: Òðàíñëèòåðàöèÿ ôàìèëèé è ïåðåâîä äîëæíîñòåé |
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Àðòåì (): |
Äåéñòâèòåëüíî ëè "É" è "ß" òðàíñëèòåðèðóþòñÿ êàê JI è JA? ß ðàíüøå âñåãäà äóìàë, ÷òî YA. |
Òðàíñëèò <> àíãëèéñêèé. Ðàçÿïîâíà -> Razjapovna (Translit) -> Razyapovna èëè äàæå ñêîðåå Raziapovna (English). Íå çàáûâàéòå, ÷òî "J" â àíãëèéñêîì - ýòî "äæåé", à íå "é". Íàïðèìåð, Jelena ïðîèçíîñèòñÿ êàê "äæèëèíà", à Yelena êàê "éèëèíà" , õîòÿ ýòî îôèöèàëüíîå íàïèñàíèå â ïàñïîðòå ó áîëüøèíñòâà Åëåí. Ïî áîëüøîìó ñ÷åòó íàäî ïèñàòü Yelyena, òîãäà áóäåò "éåëúåíà".
À âîò, íàïðèìåð, íàñ÷åò Ñåðãååâ ïîõîæå êîíñåíñóñà íåò, ò.ê. âñòðå÷àëà âàðèàíòû Sergey, Sergei è Serghei, íî îíè âñå ïðîèçíîñÿòñÿ îäèíàêîâî - "ñ¨ðãåé".
Ïîìíèòñÿ â ïðîøëîì ãîäó â ÑØÀ àðåñòîâàëè êàêîãî-òî ñåðáñêîãî äåÿòåëÿ ïî èìåíè Áîãîëþá (Bogoljub). Àìåðèêàíöû åãî îáîçâàëè "Áîãëäæàá" - ÿ ÷óòü ñ äèâàíà íå ñâàëèëàñü ñî ñìåõó.
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Ïðàâèëüíî ëè ϸòð ïåðåâîäèòü êàê Peter? Èëè ëó÷øå îñòàâèòü Petr? |
Âîîáùå-òî ïðàâèëüíî áóäåò Pyotr.
"Ãëàâíûé òåõíîëîã" ÿ ïåðåâåë êàê "Chief Process Engineer".
Ïî-ìîåìó ïåðåâîä ïðàâèëüíûé. "Senior" - ýòî ñêîðåå "ñòàðøèé". Senior'îâ ìîæåò áûòü ìíîãî, à Chief - îäèí!
Bacteriology Lab(oratory) / Bacteriological Analysis Lab(oratory)
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"ïîñòîðîííèì âõîä âîñïðåùåí" |
Authorized Personnel Only / Employees Only - âûáèðàéòå â çàâèñèìîñòè îò êîíêðåòíîé ñèòóàöèè. |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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: , 29, 2008 2:39pm : Re: Òðàíñëèòåðàöèÿ ôàìèëèé è ïåðåâîä äîëæíîñòåé |
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Helen_NJ (): |
Àðòåì (): |
Äåéñòâèòåëüíî ëè "É" è "ß" òðàíñëèòåðèðóþòñÿ êàê JI è JA? ß ðàíüøå âñåãäà äóìàë, ÷òî YA. |
Òðàíñëèò <> àíãëèéñêèé.
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À-à, òî åñòü, åùå è ðàçíûå ïðàâèëà... ÓæÎñ.
À òàáëè÷êè íà äâåðÿõ â ðîññèéñêèõ çàâåäåíèÿõ, èíòåðåñíî, ïèñàòü íàäî íà àíãëèéñêîì èëè íà òðàíñëèòå.
Ñàìîå çàáàâíîå, ÷òî êîìïàíèÿ ñïëîøü ðîññèéñêàÿ, íî 10 èëè 20% àêöèé ïðèíàäëåæàò èíîñòðàíöàì è êðóòÿòñÿ íà Íüþ-Éîðêñêîé áèðæå, âûñøåå ðóêîâîäñòâî - èíîñòðàíöû (íàíÿòûå), è îò÷åòû îíè òðåáóþò íà àíãëèéñêîì ÿçûêå (ðóññêîãî íå çíàþò). Òåïåðü âîò äî òàáëè÷åê äîáðàëèñü.
Helen_NJ (): |
Ðàçÿïîâíà -> Razjapovna (Translit) -> Razyapovna èëè äàæå ñêîðåå Raziapovna (English). Íå çàáûâàéòå, ÷òî "J" â àíãëèéñêîì - ýòî "äæåé", à íå "é". Íàïðèìåð, Jelena ïðîèçíîñèòñÿ êàê "äæèëèíà", à Yelena êàê "éèëèíà" , õîòÿ ýòî îôèöèàëüíîå íàïèñàíèå â ïàñïîðòå ó áîëüøèíñòâà Åëåí. Ïî áîëüøîìó ñ÷åòó íàäî ïèñàòü Yelyena, òîãäà áóäåò "éåëúåíà".
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À-à, ïîíÿòíî.
Helen_NJ (): |
Ïîìíèòñÿ â ïðîøëîì ãîäó â ÑØÀ àðåñòîâàëè êàêîãî-òî ñåðáñêîãî äåÿòåëÿ ïî èìåíè Áîãîëþá (Bogoljub). Àìåðèêàíöû åãî îáîçâàëè "Áîãëäæàá" - ÿ ÷óòü ñ äèâàíà íå ñâàëèëàñü ñî ñìåõó.
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Áîãëäæàá?! Îòïàä.
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Ïðàâèëüíî ëè ϸòð ïåðåâîäèòü êàê Peter? Èëè ëó÷øå îñòàâèòü Petr? |
Âîîáùå-òî ïðàâèëüíî áóäåò Pyotr.
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Æóòü êàêàÿ. È íå ïðî÷èòàåøü ñ ïåðâîãî ðàçà. Õîòÿ ëîãè÷íî.
Helen_NJ (): |
"Ãëàâíûé òåõíîëîã" ÿ ïåðåâåë êàê "Chief Process Engineer".
Ïî-ìîåìó ïåðåâîä ïðàâèëüíûé. "Senior" - ýòî ñêîðåå "ñòàðøèé". Senior'îâ ìîæåò áûòü ìíîãî, à Chief - îäèí!
Bacteriology Lab(oratory) / Bacteriological Analysis Lab(oratory)
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"ïîñòîðîííèì âõîä âîñïðåùåí" |
Authorized Personnel Only / Employees Only - âûáèðàéòå â çàâèñèìîñòè îò êîíêðåòíîé ñèòóàöèè. |
Ñïàñèáî, Helen! |
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