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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 8, 2009 3:32pm : Îïåðàöèîííàÿ ñèñòåìà Google Chrome OS |
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Ãóãë âûïóñêàåò îïåðàöèîííóþ ñèñòåìó, êàê îíè ñàìè â÷åðà íàïèñàëè.
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Google Chrome OS is an open source, lightweight operating system that will initially be targeted at netbooks.
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_________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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: , 8, 2009 3:42pm : Re: Îïåðàöèîííàÿ ñèñòåìà Google Chrome OS |
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Andrew (): |
Ãóãë âûïóñêàåò îïåðàöèîííóþ ñèñòåìó, êàê îíè ñàìè â÷åðà íàïèñàëè.
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Google Chrome OS is an open source, lightweight operating system that will initially be targeted at netbooks.
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Íóóó... Êàê ñâåæåíüêèé âëàäåëåö íåòáóêà ÿ â îáùåì-òî âïîëíå çàèíòåðåñîâàí.
Íî ñ äðóãîé ñòîðîíû, ñêîëüêî åùå ïðèäåòñÿ æäàòü ïîêà ýòà ÎÑ íàáåðåò äîñòàòî÷íóþ áàçó äðàéâåðîâ? Óæ íå ãîâîðÿ î ïðèëîæåíèÿõ...
Âîí âñïîìíèòü òÿæêóþ ñóäüáó BeOS. |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 8, 2009 3:58pm : Re: Îïåðàöèîííàÿ ñèñòåìà Google Chrome OS |
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White Owl (): |
Âîí âñïîìíèòü òÿæêóþ ñóäüáó BeOS. |
À ÷òî ñ íåé? ß ïðîñòî íå â êóðñå. _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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: , 8, 2009 4:11pm : Re: Îïåðàöèîííàÿ ñèñòåìà Google Chrome OS |
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Andrew (): |
White Owl (): |
Âîí âñïîìíèòü òÿæêóþ ñóäüáó BeOS. |
À ÷òî ñ íåé? ß ïðîñòî íå â êóðñå. |
Óáèéöà Âèíäîóñ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeOS |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 8, 2009 5:12pm : |
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Îäíî äåëî, êîãäà ðàçðàáîò÷èêîì áûëà êàêàÿ-òî Be Inc., äðóãîå äåëî, êîãäà ðàçðàáîò÷èê - Google. Ó Google è öåëè âïîëíå ïîíÿòíû, äà åùå è áåñïëàòíîé îíà, âïîëíå âîçìîæíî, áóäåò. Òàê ÷òî ñâîþ äîëþ íà ðûíêå îíà çàéìåò, íåñîìíåííî. À åñëè åùå îíè è âûïîëíÿò ñâîå îáåùàíèå:
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And as we did for the Google Chrome browser, we are going back to the basics and completely redesigning the underlying security architecture of the OS so that users don't have to deal with viruses, malware and security updates. It should just work.
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è ñäåëàþò åå òàêîé æå áûñòðîé, êàê áðàóçåð - òî ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì âîîáùå ñ÷àñòüå áóäåò. _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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: , 8, 2009 8:46pm : |
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Îäíî äåëî, êîãäà ðàçðàáîò÷èêîì áûëà êàêàÿ-òî Be Inc., äðóãîå äåëî, êîãäà ðàçðàáîò÷èê - Google. |
Íóóó.... Â ïðèíöèïå è Be êîãäà-òî áûëà îãî-ãî! Õîòÿ òóò òû ïðàâ, Ãóãëû ñåáå èìÿ óæå ñäåëàëè, òàê ÷òî ê èõ ïîäåëêå áóäåò ñëåãêà áîëüøå äîâåðèÿ.
Andrew (): |
Ó Google è öåëè âïîëíå ïîíÿòíû, äà åùå è áåñïëàòíîé îíà, âïîëíå âîçìîæíî, áóäåò. Òàê ÷òî ñâîþ äîëþ íà ðûíêå îíà çàéìåò, íåñîìíåííî. |
Íó ýòî åñòåñòâåííî. Ôàíàòû åñòü äàæå ó ñàìûõ äîõëåíüêèõ ïðîåêòîâ
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À åñëè åùå îíè è âûïîëíÿò ñâîå îáåùàíèå:
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And as we did for the Google Chrome browser, we are going back to the basics and completely redesigning the underlying security architecture of the OS so that users don't have to deal with viruses, malware and security updates. It should just work.
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è ñäåëàþò åå òàêîé æå áûñòðîé, êàê áðàóçåð - òî ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì âîîáùå ñ÷àñòüå áóäåò. |
Yeeeeah... riiiiiight....
Ðàçìå÷àòàëñÿ, íàèâíûé êàëèôîðíèéñêèé þíîøà. |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 8, 2009 8:53pm : |
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White Owl (): |
Ðàçìå÷àòàëñÿ, íàèâíûé êàëèôîðíèéñêèé þíîøà. |
ß ñîãëàñåí, çâó÷èò ìíîãîîáåùàþùå. Ñàì íå çíàþ, êàê ìîæíî ñäåëàòü íåâîçìîæíûì ïîäöåïëåíèå âèðóñà. Íî âðåìÿ ïîêàæåò.
Ïîïðîáóé, íàïðèìåð, ïîäöåïèòü âèðóñ ÷åðåç Google Docs - âîçìîæíî ýòî? _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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: , 8, 2009 9:14pm : |
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Andrew (): |
Ïîïðîáóé, íàïðèìåð, ïîäöåïèòü âèðóñ ÷åðåç Google Docs - âîçìîæíî ýòî? |
Êîíå÷íî âîçìîæíî.
Ïèøåì âèðóñ íà VBA äëÿ Âîðäà èëè Ýêñåëÿ. Çàãðóæàåì åãî â Google Docs, äàåì äîñòóï ê ôàéëó. Âñå.
Ëþáîé êòî ñêà÷àåò ýòîò ôàéë ïîäöåïèò âèðóñ. Ïîêàààà òàì Ãóãëü ðàñ÷óõàåò ÷òî ïîÿâèëàñü íîâàÿ çàðàçà äà ðàñòîëêàåò ñâîèõ ïðèäâîðíûõ àíòèâèðóñî-ïèñàòåëåé.... |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 8, 2009 11:03pm : |
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White Owl (): |
Êîíå÷íî âîçìîæíî.
Ïèøåì âèðóñ íà VBA äëÿ Âîðäà èëè Ýêñåëÿ. Çàãðóæàåì åãî â Google Docs, äàåì äîñòóï ê ôàéëó. Âñå.
Ëþáîé êòî ñêà÷àåò ýòîò ôàéë ïîäöåïèò âèðóñ. |
À åñëè ñìîòðåòü ôàéë ÷åðåç áðàóçåð? Òî åñòü, ÷åðåç èõ ñîáñòâåííûé èíòåðïðåòàòîð. _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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Slava ÍËÎ
: 10.03.2003 : 4182 : at this moment Stamford CT
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: , 9, 2009 3:11am : |
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Ñêàæåì äðóæíî íåò Ãóãëó
À ïîòîì ó òåáÿ íà äåñêòîïå áóäåò ðåêëàìà âûëàçèòü
È âàùå ÿ ñâîé ïîèñê ïåðåâåë íà bing.com:)
Âîò _________________ Good judgment comes from expirience.
Expirience comes from bad judgment |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 9, 2009 4:02am : |
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Slava (): |
È âàùå ÿ ñâîé ïîèñê ïåðåâåë íà bing.com:) |
È êàê? _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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Hashish Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 06.03.2008 : 1231
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: , 9, 2009 4:05am : Re: Îïåðàöèîííàÿ ñèñòåìà Google Chrome OS |
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White Owl (): |
Íî ñ äðóãîé ñòîðîíû, ñêîëüêî åùå ïðèäåòñÿ æäàòü ïîêà ýòà ÎÑ íàáåðåò äîñòàòî÷íóþ áàçó äðàéâåðîâ? |
Íèñêîëüêî. Âñ¸ ýòî óæå åñòü.
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Àðõèòåêòóðà ÏÎ î÷åíü ïðîñòà: Google Chrome áóäåò ðàáîòàòü â íîâîé ñèñòåìå îêîí íà ÿäðå Ëèíóêñ. |
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Hashish Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 06.03.2008 : 1231
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Andrew (): |
Ó Google è öåëè âïîëíå ïîíÿòíû, äà åùå è áåñïëàòíîé îíà, âïîëíå âîçìîæíî, áóäåò. |
Ó íåå îòêðûòûå èñõîäíûé êîä è ðàçíûå permissive license (òàì èõ äåéñòâèòåëüíî óæå î÷åíü ìíîãî). Ïîñåìó, äàæå åñëè îíè è áóäóò áðàòü çà íå¸ ñîòíè íåôòè^H^H äåíüãè, íè÷òî íå ìåøàåò òåáå ñäåëàòü ñâîþ áèíàðíóþ ñáîðêó - AndrewOS è ïîëüçîâàòüñÿ, ëèáî ðàçäàâàòü äðóçüÿì. Òî÷íî òàêæå êàê åñòü ïðîïðèåòàðíûé Google Chrome è îòêðûòûé Chromium çà íèì. |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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: , 9, 2009 1:35pm : Re: Îïåðàöèîííàÿ ñèñòåìà Google Chrome OS |
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Hashish (): |
White Owl (): |
Íî ñ äðóãîé ñòîðîíû, ñêîëüêî åùå ïðèäåòñÿ æäàòü ïîêà ýòà ÎÑ íàáåðåò äîñòàòî÷íóþ áàçó äðàéâåðîâ? |
Íèñêîëüêî. Âñ¸ ýòî óæå åñòü.
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Àðõèòåêòóðà ÏÎ î÷åíü ïðîñòà: Google Chrome áóäåò ðàáîòàòü â íîâîé ñèñòåìå îêîí íà ÿäðå Ëèíóêñ. |
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î.... âîò ÷òî çíà÷èò ÷èòàòü ðåêëàìíûå ñòàòüè ïî äèàãîíàëè...
Õîòÿ ñ äðóãîé ñòîðîíû, åñëè îíè ïðîïàãàíäèðóþò âñå ïðèëîæåíèÿ äåëàòü íà âåáå, òî òàì îò ñàìîé ÎÑ íèêàêîãî îáùåíèÿ ñ ëîêàëüíûì æåëåçîì è íå ïîòðåáóåòñÿ. Âñå áóäåò â ðåàëüíîñòè ðàáîòàòü ãäå-òî òàì, íà ãóãëåâñêèõ ñåðâåðàõ, à ïîëüçîâàòåëüñêèé êîìï áóäåò òîëüêî êàðòèíêó ðèñîâàòü. Òî åñòü ïðàêòè÷åñêè âñå òîæå ñàìîå ÷òî è óæå ñóùåñòâóþùèé X-server.
×åì äàëüøå òåì ñòðàøíåå. |
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Hashish Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 06.03.2008 : 1231
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: , 9, 2009 2:20pm : Re: Îïåðàöèîííàÿ ñèñòåìà Google Chrome OS |
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White Owl (): |
Òî åñòü ïðàêòè÷åñêè âñå òîæå ñàìîå ÷òî è óæå ñóùåñòâóþùèé X-server. |
Ñóäÿ ïî òîìó, ÷òî â òîò æå äåíü ãóãëü âûïóñòèë èñõîäíèêè NeatX, òî, íàâåðíîå, îíî áóäåò èñïîëüçîâàòü NX. Äëÿ õîìÿ÷êîâ, êîðî÷å. |
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Slava ÍËÎ
: 10.03.2003 : 4182 : at this moment Stamford CT
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: , 10, 2009 4:15am : |
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Andrew (): |
Slava (): |
È âàùå ÿ ñâîé ïîèñê ïåðåâåë íà bing.com:) |
È êàê? |
Ïîíÿòèÿ íå èìåþ. Âðîäå ðàáîòàåò. È íàõîäèò âåùè. Íî âñå òàêè íàäî ïðèâûêàòü ïîñëå ãóãëÿ.
Êñòàòè, ñåãîäíÿ çàìåòèë ÷òî â óíèâåðå íà êîìïàõ âåçäå ñòîèò â bing.com
Óäèâèëñÿ... _________________ Good judgment comes from expirience.
Expirience comes from bad judgment |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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: , 20, 2009 11:24am : |
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Slava (): |
Ñêàæåì äðóæíî íåò Ãóãëó
À ïîòîì ó òåáÿ íà äåñêòîïå áóäåò ðåêëàìà âûëàçèòü
È âàùå ÿ ñâîé ïîèñê ïåðåâåë íà bing.com:)
Âîò |
ß îáû÷íî ßíäåêñîì èùó. Ïðèâû÷íåé. Íîðìàëüíî èùåò. |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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: , 20, 2009 11:26am : |
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Andrew (): |
White Owl (): |
Ðàçìå÷àòàëñÿ, íàèâíûé êàëèôîðíèéñêèé þíîøà. |
ß ñîãëàñåí, çâó÷èò ìíîãîîáåùàþùå. Ñàì íå çíàþ, êàê ìîæíî ñäåëàòü íåâîçìîæíûì ïîäöåïëåíèå âèðóñà. Íî âðåìÿ ïîêàæåò.
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100% çàùèòó îò âèðóñîâ ñäåëàòü íåâîçìîæíî, êàê êîììóíèçì è êàê êàæäîãî ÷åëîâåêà ñ÷àñòëèâûì.
Andrew (): |
Ïîïðîáóé, íàïðèìåð, ïîäöåïèòü âèðóñ ÷åðåç Google Docs - âîçìîæíî ýòî? |
Òàì, ãäå àïðèîðè íå ðàáîòàþò âèðóñû, íå ðàáîòàåò è ÷òî-òî ïîëåçíîå (ìàêðîñû, íàïðèìåð).
Jpeg-ôàéë, íàïðèìåð, íåâîçìîæíî çàâèðóñîâàòü. Íî JPG è äåëàòü ñàì íè÷åãî íå ìîæåò. |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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: , 20, 2009 11:29am : |
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Íî, êîíå÷íî, âîñïðèèì÷èâîñòü ðàçíûõ ñèñòåì ê âèðóñàì ðàçíàÿ. Ãäå-òî áîëüøå äûð â áåçîïàñíîñòè, ãäå-òî áîëåå ïðîäóìàííî ñäåëàíî, è ïîýòîìó áîëåå íàäåæíî.
Ìåíåå ðàñïðîñòðàíåííûå ñèñòåìû òàê æå èìåþò ìåíüøå âèðóñîâ, ò.ê. ïîä íèõ è èíòåðåñà âèðóñû ïèñàòü ìåíüøå.
Íî ýòî âñ¸ íå èçáàâëÿåò îò íåîáõîäèìîñòè äåðæàòü àíòèâèðóñ. È äà, ïîñëå âûõîäà Google OS ïåðâîå âðåìÿ îíè ìîãóò âïîëíå îïðàâäàííî øóìåòü (ðåêëàìíî), ÷òî ïîä èõ ÎÑ íåò âèðóñîâ. Íî ïîòîì òî îíè ïîÿâÿòñÿ. |
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