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Andrew
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: 01.03.2003
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: , 31, 2010 8:08pm     : Windows 7 32 bit vs. 64 bit

Ñîáèðàþñü ïîêóïàòü íîâûé ëýïòîï, òàê êàê ñòàðûé íóæíî âîçâðàùàòü. Íà ðàáî÷åì êîìïüþòåðå íåäàâíî ïîñòàâèëè Windows 7 - î÷åíü äîâîëåí ýòîé îïåðàöèîííîé ñèñòåìîé. Íà ëýïòîïå òîæå õî÷ó, ÷òîáû ñòîÿëà òàêàÿ. Îáúÿñíèòå, â ÷åì ðàçíèöà ìåæäó 32 bit vs. 64 bit? Êàê ýòî âëèÿåò íà ïðîèçâîäèòåëüíîñòü? Êàêîå æåëåçî æåëàòåëüíî èìåòü äëÿ êîìôîðòíîé ðàáîòû è â òîé, è â äðóãîé âåðñèè?

Íà êîìïüþòåðå ÿ çàíèìàþñü èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî îôèñíîé ðàáîòîé, èíîãäà ðàáîòàåþ íà äðåâíåé âåðñèè Photoshop. Õîòÿ óñòàíîâëåí ëîêàëüíûé âåá-ñåðâåð äëÿ ëè÷íûõ íóæä è èíîãäà ðàáîòàþ ñ áàçàìè äàííûõ (íî îíè äîñòàòî÷íî íåáîëüøîãî ðàçìåðà).  îáùåì, îñîáî ñåðüåçíûé êîìïüþòåð ìíå íå íóæåí.
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Doxx
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: 14.06.2003
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: , 31, 2010 8:20pm     : Re: Windows 7 32 bit vs. 64 bit

ÿ òàê ïîíÿë âñÿ ðàçíèöà â àðõèòåêòóðå ê äîñòóïó ïàìÿòè
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The terms 32-bit and 64-bit refer to the way a computer's processor (also called a CPU), handles information. The 64-bit version of Windows handles large amounts of random access memory (RAM) more effectively than a 32-bit system.


Ïëþñû 64áèòíîé ñèñòåìû:
1. Áûñòðåå ðàáîòàþò 64áèòíûå ïðîãè
2. Âèäèò 4Ãá îïåðàòèâû (ïðè 32áèòíîé ñèñòåìå ìàõ 3.3Ãá)
Ìèíóñû:
1. 32áèòíûå ïðèëîæåíèÿ ðàáîòàþò â ðåæèìå ýìóëÿöèè, ò.å. ìåäëåííåå

Èñòî÷íèêè ïî òåìå:
1. FAQ microsoft
2. google âîïðîñû è îòâåòû
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Hashish
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: , 2, 2010 5:02am     :

Êîíå÷íî 64 áèò. Íà ïðîèçâîäèòåëüíîñòü ýòî âëèÿåò èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî ïîëîæèòåëüíî.

Íàñ÷åò æåëåçà - íó, ìèíèìóì íóæåí ïðîöåññîð ñ ïîääåðæêîé EM64T, ëèáî AMD64. Åñëè æå â ïðàêòè÷åñêîì ðóñëå, òî íà ìî¸ì íîóòå òðåõëåòíåé äàâíîñòè (Ò7200, 2Ãá ÎÇÓ, ÍÂèäèÿ 7600) ñòàðûé RC1 64-áèòíîé Windows 7 ðàáîòàåò ïðîñòî çàìå÷àòåëüíî äî ñèõ ïîð.

Êîíå÷íî, ýòè ÎÑ àäðåñóþò íå 4 Ãá (ðàäè îäíîãî ãèãàáàéòà íèêòî îãîðîä ãîðîäèòü áû íå ñòàë), à äî 2^64 áàéò (16 ýêñàáàéò). Íà ïðàêòèêå â ñåãîäíÿøíèõ ïðîöåññîðàõ àäðåñàöèÿ 48-áèòíàÿ, à Windows 7 ïîääåðæèâàåò ìàêñèìóì 192 ãèãàáàéòà.

Ðåæèì ýìóëÿöèè x86 (WOW64) ïðàêòè÷åñêè íå çàìåäëÿåò ïðîöåññû, à äà¸ò èì âîçìîæíîñòü èñïîëüçîâàòü áîëüøå ïîòîêîâ è ôàéëîâûõ óêàçàòåëåé.

Íåáîëüøîé ìèíóñ - íóæíû 64-áèòíûå äðàéâåðû è 16-áèòíûå ïðîãðàììû íå ðàáîòàþò (òàêèõ ïî÷òè íå îñòàëîñü, íî èíîãäà âñòðå÷àþòñÿ äðåâíèå âåðñèè Install Shield).
Àðòåì
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: 10.03.2003
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: , 2, 2010 5:39am     :

Hashish ():
è 16-áèòíûå ïðîãðàììû íå ðàáîòàþò (òàêèõ ïî÷òè íå îñòàëîñü, íî èíîãäà âñòðå÷àþòñÿ äðåâíèå âåðñèè Install Shield).


Ñðàçó æå âñïîìèíàåòñÿ CivII. Ýìóëÿöèÿ òî èõ õîòü åñòü?
Hashish
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: 06.03.2008
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: , 3, 2010 2:07am     :

Àðòåì ():
Hashish ():
è 16-áèòíûå ïðîãðàììû íå ðàáîòàþò (òàêèõ ïî÷òè íå îñòàëîñü, íî èíîãäà âñòðå÷àþòñÿ äðåâíèå âåðñèè Install Shield).
Ñðàçó æå âñïîìèíàåòñÿ CivII. Ýìóëÿöèÿ òî èõ õîòü åñòü?
Åñëè ó âàñ Windows 7 â âàðèàíòå Professional, Enterprise èëè Ultimate, òî ìîæåòå âîñïîëüçîâàòüñÿ ò.í. "XP Mode" - âñòðîåííîé âèðòóàëüíîé ìàøèíîé ñ Windows XP SP3, ëèöåíçèÿ íà êîòîðóþ âêëþ÷åíà â ñòîèìîñòü ñåìåðêè. Íàïîäîáèå ìàêîâñêîãî Parallels Desktop, ìîæíî èìåòü îáùèé êëèïáîðä, äîñòóï â USB óñòðîéñòâàì è ò.ï.

À âîîáùå ñêà÷àéòå îòêðûòûé àíàëîã ïîä win32 - http://freeciv.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
Andrew
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: 01.03.2003
: 10421
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: , 3, 2010 6:29am     :

Doxx, Hashish, ñïàñèáî çà ñîâåòû!

Hashish ():
Íåáîëüøîé ìèíóñ - íóæíû 64-áèòíûå äðàéâåðû

Êàê ÷àñòî ñ ýòèì âîçíèêàþò ïðîáëåìû?
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Àðòåì
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: 10.03.2003
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: , 3, 2010 7:30am     :

Andrew ():
Êàê ÷àñòî ñ ýòèì âîçíèêàþò ïðîáëåìû?


Ïðåäïîëîæó, ÷òî ïðîáëåìû ìîãóò âîçíèêíóòü ñ óñòðîéñòâàìè, êîòîðûå ïåðåñòàëè ïîääåðæèâàòüñÿ ïðîèçâîäèòåëåì.
Àðòåì
Ìîäåðàòîð


: 10.03.2003
: 8295
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: , 3, 2010 7:31am     :

Hashish ():
Àðòåì ():
Hashish ():
è 16-áèòíûå ïðîãðàììû íå ðàáîòàþò (òàêèõ ïî÷òè íå îñòàëîñü, íî èíîãäà âñòðå÷àþòñÿ äðåâíèå âåðñèè Install Shield).
Ñðàçó æå âñïîìèíàåòñÿ CivII. Ýìóëÿöèÿ òî èõ õîòü åñòü?
Åñëè ó âàñ Windows 7 â âàðèàíòå Professional, Enterprise èëè Ultimate, òî ìîæåòå âîñïîëüçîâàòüñÿ ò.í. "XP Mode" - âñòðîåííîé âèðòóàëüíîé ìàøèíîé ñ Windows XP SP3, ëèöåíçèÿ íà êîòîðóþ âêëþ÷åíà â ñòîèìîñòü ñåìåðêè. Íàïîäîáèå ìàêîâñêîãî Parallels Desktop, ìîæíî èìåòü îáùèé êëèïáîðä, äîñòóï â USB óñòðîéñòâàì è ò.ï.


Ïîíÿòíî. Óëûáêà

Hashish ():
À âîîáùå ñêà÷àéòå îòêðûòûé àíàëîã ïîä win32 - http://freeciv.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page


Àíàëîãè - ýòî àíàëîãè. Îðèãèíàë - ýòî îðèãèíàë. Óëûáêà
Hashish
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: 06.03.2008
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: , 3, 2010 2:59pm     :

Andrew ():
Hashish ():
Íåáîëüøîé ìèíóñ - íóæíû 64-áèòíûå äðàéâåðû
Êàê ÷àñòî ñ ýòèì âîçíèêàþò ïðîáëåìû?
Ó ìåíÿ íè ðàçó íå âîçíèêàëè - äâà ñ ïîëîâèíîé ãîäà Âèñòà Óëüòèìåéò 64 áèò, ïîëãîäà ñåìåðêà 64 áèò, è âñå ãîäà òðè ãîðÿ÷î ëþáèìûå òåðìèíàëüíûå ñåðâåðà íà 2003 64 áèò.
Hashish
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: 06.03.2008
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: , 3, 2010 3:03pm     :

Àðòåì ():
Àíàëîãè - ýòî àíàëîãè. Îðèãèíàë - ýòî îðèãèíàë. Óëûáêà
Íó ýòî ñêîðåå êëîí, ÷åì àíàëîã. Íà ñîâñåì êðàéíèé ñëó÷àé çàãðóçèòåñü ñ ëèíóêñîâîãî live cd è èãðàéòå â îðèãèíàë - http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=14453&iTestingId=46175

Èëè óñòàíîâèòå VMWare è îòûùèòå ëèöåíçèþ íà ÕÐ.
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: 30.03.2012
: 12

: , 30, 2012 8:45pm     :

Âîçìîæíî ýòî óæå è íå àêòóàëüíî, íî ìîæåò êîìó-òî è ïîìîæåò

ïðîñòåéøèé ñïîñîá "ðàçîáðàòüñÿ" ñ äðàéâåðàìè - ýòî ÷åðåç Äèñïåò÷åð óñòðîéñòâ óçíàòü ID îáîðóäîâàíèÿ ñ âïèñàòü íà ýòîì ñàéòå
Hashish
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


: 06.03.2008
: 1231

: , 31, 2012 12:25am     :

Åù¸ íà äîìàøíåé ñòðàíè÷êå Ñåð¸æè Áðèíà ìîæíî â ïîèñê âáèòü. Èíîãäà ïîìîãàåò.
Evgeniy Malyshev
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: 12.03.2012
: 450
: Dm.-Pomryaskino/Ulyanovsk, Russia

: , 31, 2012 5:28am     :

Óæå 2 ãîäà ñèæó íà 32-áèòíîé âåðñèè Êëàññíî! Âñå äðåâíèå ïðîãè íà íåé ëåãêî èäóò...íà âåðñèè 64-áèò âðÿä ëè çàõîòÿò âêëþ÷àòüñÿ..ïîòðåáóþòñÿ ïðîãè çàòî÷åííûå ïîä 64.

32-ÿ âåðñèÿ íå íàìíîãî ìåäëåííåå 64-é..Äëÿ îôèñíûõ íóæä õâàòèò çà ãëàçà. Êëàññíî!
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Íîâè÷îê


: 30.03.2012
: 12

: , 31, 2012 5:47am     :

Ïðîèçâîäèòåëüíîñòü 64-õ áèòíîé ñèñòåìû âûøå è íèêàêèõ ïðîáëåì ñ ïðîãðàììàìè íåò, òàê êàê áîëüøèíñòâî áóäóò çàïóñêàòüñÿ êàê áû â ýìóëÿòîðå. Program Files (x86) ñîäåðæèò áîëüøèíñòâî óñòàíîâëåííûõ ïðîãðàìì.

Åäèíñòâåííàÿ ïðîáëåìà ýòî 16-òè áèòíûå ïðèëîæåíèÿ, äëÿ íèõ íåò ñòàíäàðòíîãî ýìóëÿòîðà, íî óäîáíî âîñïîëüçîâàòüñÿ, íàïðèìåð d-fend reloaded

Êîíå÷íî, åñëè ïðîöåññîð íå 64-x áèòíûé, òî òîëüêî 32-õ áèòíàÿ ñèñòåìà.

Íî â ïðîòèâîïîëîæíîì ñëó÷àå íå ðàöèîíàëüíî íå ñòàâèòü 64-x áèòíóþ ñèñòåìó.
Òàê êàê

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64-ðàçðÿäíûå âåðñèè Windows ìîãóò èñïîëüçîâàòü áîëüøå ïàìÿòè, ÷åì 32-ðàçðÿäíûå âåðñèè Windows. Ýòî ïîìîãàåò ìèíèìèçèðîâàòü âðåìÿ, çàòðà÷èâàåìîå íà îáðàáîòêó ïðîöåññîâ â ïàìÿòè, ïóòåì õðàíåíèÿ áîëüøåãî êîëè÷åñòâà ýòèõ â îïåðàòèâíîé ïàìÿòè (ÎÇÓ), à íå íà æåñòêîì äèñêå. Ýòî, â ñâîþ î÷åðåäü, ìîæåò óâåëè÷èòü îáùóþ ïðîèçâîäèòåëüíîñòü ñèñòåìû.
Evgeniy Malyshev
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


: 12.03.2012
: 450
: Dm.-Pomryaskino/Ulyanovsk, Russia

: , 31, 2012 8:28am     :

íà îïûòå ìíå áîëüøå ïîíðàâèëàñü 32-áèòíàÿ âåðñèÿ. Ïðîáëåì ñ íåé íå âèäåë íèêàêèõ, õîòü è ðàáîòàë ñ 64-é òîæå.. Ïîäêàëûâàþ
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: 03.06.2003
: 3546
: Moscow

: , 31, 2012 6:16pm     : Re: Windows 7 32 bit vs. 64 bit

Andrew ():
Ñîáèðàþñü ïîêóïàòü íîâûé ëýïòîï, òàê êàê ñòàðûé íóæíî âîçâðàùàòü. Íà ðàáî÷åì êîìïüþòåðå íåäàâíî ïîñòàâèëè Windows 7 - î÷åíü äîâîëåí ýòîé îïåðàöèîííîé ñèñòåìîé. Íà ëýïòîïå òîæå õî÷ó, ÷òîáû ñòîÿëà òàêàÿ. Îáúÿñíèòå, â ÷åì ðàçíèöà ìåæäó 32 bit vs. 64 bit? Êàê ýòî âëèÿåò íà ïðîèçâîäèòåëüíîñòü? Êàêîå æåëåçî æåëàòåëüíî èìåòü äëÿ êîìôîðòíîé ðàáîòû è â òîé, è â äðóãîé âåðñèè?

Íà êîìïüþòåðå ÿ çàíèìàþñü èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî îôèñíîé ðàáîòîé, èíîãäà ðàáîòàåþ íà äðåâíåé âåðñèè Photoshop. Õîòÿ óñòàíîâëåí ëîêàëüíûé âåá-ñåðâåð äëÿ ëè÷íûõ íóæä è èíîãäà ðàáîòàþ ñ áàçàìè äàííûõ (íî îíè äîñòàòî÷íî íåáîëüøîãî ðàçìåðà).  îáùåì, îñîáî ñåðüåçíûé êîìïüþòåð ìíå íå íóæåí.
Àíäðåé, çà÷åì ñòàðûé âîçâðàùàåøü? Èçìåíåíèÿ â êàðüåðå?
Âèíäà 7-ÿ î÷åíü êëàññíàÿ. Âñå ðàáîòàåò áûñòðî è âñå óäîáíî. Ïîä÷åðêèâàþ, ÷òî ïîÿñíÿþ êàê îáûêíîâåííûé þçåð-äèëåòàí, ÷üå ñàìîå âåëèêîå äîñòèæåíèå â êîìïå ïå÷àòàòü íà äâóõ ÿçûêàõ ñëåïûì ìåòîäîì, - ïðîôâîïðîñû íå çàäàâàòü. 64-áèòíàÿ ôèãíÿ ÷åðåç ðàç ðàáîòàåò íà íàøèõ ñïåöèàëüíûõ ïðîãðàììàõ. Ìåíÿ ìàëî ÷òî ìîæåò âûâåñòè èç ñåáÿ, íî ýòè íåñîñòûêîâêè â íóæíûé ìîìåíò îòäåëÿþò êîìïüþòåð îò åãî óáèéñòâà áèòîé òîëüêî íàëè÷èå Òàè ìåæäó ìíîé è êîìïîì, à â îñòàëüíîì âñå âåëèêîëåïíî.
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Andrew
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: 01.03.2003
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: , 31, 2012 6:31pm     : Re: Windows 7 32 bit vs. 64 bit

MaxiM ():
Àíäðåé, çà÷åì ñòàðûé âîçâðàùàåøü? Èçìåíåíèÿ â êàðüåðå?

Ìàêñèì, ÿ ýòîò âîïðîñ ïèñàë 2 ãîäà íàçàä Óëûáêà Òîãäà äåéñòâèòåëüíî áûëè èçìåíåíèÿ â êàðüåðå è ñâîé ðàáî÷èé ëåïòîì ÿ äåðæàë ó ñåáÿ ìåñÿöåâ 5 ïîñëå óõîäà èç êîìïàíèè (ïîïðîñèë ïîêà íå âîçâðàùàòü, òàê êàê äåíåã òîãäà ìíîãî íå áûëî, ÷òîáû åùå è òðàòèòüñÿ íà ïîêóïêó íîâîãî êîìïüþòåðà).

Ñåé÷àñ æå ÿ ñòàðàþñü äåðæàòüñÿ ïîäàëüøå îò âîïðîñîâ 32 bit vs. 64 bit è åñëè ÷åñòíî, äàæå íå çíàþ, êàêàÿ èìåííî ó ìåíÿ îïåðàöèîííàÿ ñèñòåìà (32 èëè 64) Óëûáêà

Êàêèõ-ëèáî ïðîáëåì ñ ðàáîòîñïîñîáíîñòüþ ïðèëîæåíèé íå èñïûòûâàþ, íî íîâûå ïðîãðàììû ÿ íå óñòàíàâëèâàë íà êîìïüþòåð ñ ìîìåíòà ïîêóïêè (áîëåå äâóõ ëåò íàçàä).
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: 30.03.2012
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Êàêèå ñïåöèàëüíûå ïðîãðàììû íå èäóò íà x64? ÿ åùå òàêèõ íå âñòðå÷àë
Evgeniy Malyshev
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: 12.03.2012
: 450
: Dm.-Pomryaskino/Ulyanovsk, Russia

: , 31, 2012 8:34pm     :

Ó ìåíÿ áûâàëî äàæå Winamp è íåêîòîðûå äðàéâåðà íå âòûêàëèñü, â òåõ âåðñèÿõ..êîòîðûå ìíå íðàâèëèñü. õîòü è íå ñàìûå íîâûå.. Ïîäêàëûâàþ
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: 30.03.2012
: 12

: , 31, 2012 8:50pm     :

âñå äðàéâåðà ïèøóòñÿ èëè íà õ86 èëè íà õ64 ñèñòåìû è ëþáîé äðàéâåð ìîæíî íàéòè â îáåèõ âåðñèÿõ

êàê âàðèàíò - ñàéò, ÷òî ÿ óêàçûâàë ðàíüøå. Íà áîëüøèíñòâî ñëó÷àåâ òàì åñòü äðàéâåðà

à winamp, åñëè êà÷àòü ñ îôô ñàéòà - ñâîáîäíî ïîñòàâèòñÿ íà ñèñòåìû îáåèõ ðàçðÿäíîñòåé
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