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Hashish
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


: 06.03.2008
: 1231

: , 22, 2011 3:12pm     :

Ïðè÷àñèê* ():
ÿ ñïðàùèâàëà ïðî òî ÷òî îïûò òî ïî áóìàæêàì ìåíåäæåðà ïî òóðèçìó à åäó â îòåëü íà ñòàæòðîâêó.. ýòî íîðìàëüíî?
Ïî áóêâå çàêîíà ýòî íå çàïðåùåíî.
Óìêà
Íîâè÷îê


: 25.02.2012
: 1
: Ñî÷è

: , 25, 2012 5:23pm     :

Çäðàâñòâóéòå!Ó ìåíÿ òàêîé âîïðîñ, ÿ ñåé÷àñ íà 4 êóðñå, ïî îêîí÷àíèè 5ãî êóðñà õî÷ó ïîåõàòü â Àìåðèêó ïî internship, ó ìåíÿ ñïåöèàëüíîñòü òóðèçì, ïðîõîäèòü ñòàæèðîâêó õîòåëîñü áû â êàêîé-íèáóäü òóðèñòè÷åñêîé ôèðìå, åñòü ëè âîçìîæíîñòü íàéòè ðàáîòó â ýòîé ñôåðå?è âåëèêà ëè îíà?
Òàêæå åñòü ïðîáëåìû ñî ñïðàâêîé ñ ðàáîòû, íó íåóâåðåííà, ÷òî ÿ íàéäó å¸, áûëè ëè ñëó÷àè, ÷òî è áåç ñïðàâêè ïðîõîäÿò ñîáåñåäîâàíèå?
Î÷åíü õî÷åòñÿ ïîáûâàòü â usa, êîíå÷íî ìîæíî áûëî áû ïîåõàòü ïî wat â ýòîì ãîäó, íî ñ äåíåã ñåé÷àñ íåò, ïîýòîìó õî÷ó ïîåõàòü ïî ñòàæèðîâêå â Ãðåöèè.
 îáùåì ÿ ñàìà çàïóòàëàñü....ïîåäó â Ãðåöèþ, à â Ñøà ìîãó è íå ïîïàñòü â ñëåäóþùåì ãîäó, ïîåõàòü â Ñøà-äåíåã íå õâàòàåò(
Ïîäñêàæèòå ÷òî äåëàòü, íó èëè õîòÿ áû ñâî¸ ìíåíèå, êàê áûâàëûõ...
MaxiM
Áóäóùèé àìåðèêàíåö


: 03.06.2003
: 3546
: Moscow

: , 26, 2012 8:36am     :

Óìêà ():
Çäðàâñòâóéòå!Ó ìåíÿ òàêîé âîïðîñ, ÿ ñåé÷àñ íà 4 êóðñå, ïî îêîí÷àíèè 5ãî êóðñà õî÷ó ïîåõàòü â Àìåðèêó ïî internship, ó ìåíÿ ñïåöèàëüíîñòü òóðèçì, ïðîõîäèòü ñòàæèðîâêó õîòåëîñü áû â êàêîé-íèáóäü òóðèñòè÷åñêîé ôèðìå, åñòü ëè âîçìîæíîñòü íàéòè ðàáîòó â ýòîé ñôåðå?è âåëèêà ëè îíà?
Òàêæå åñòü ïðîáëåìû ñî ñïðàâêîé ñ ðàáîòû, íó íåóâåðåííà, ÷òî ÿ íàéäó å¸, áûëè ëè ñëó÷àè, ÷òî è áåç ñïðàâêè ïðîõîäÿò ñîáåñåäîâàíèå?
Î÷åíü õî÷åòñÿ ïîáûâàòü â usa, êîíå÷íî ìîæíî áûëî áû ïîåõàòü ïî wat â ýòîì ãîäó, íî ñ äåíåã ñåé÷àñ íåò, ïîýòîìó õî÷ó ïîåõàòü ïî ñòàæèðîâêå â Ãðåöèè.
 îáùåì ÿ ñàìà çàïóòàëàñü....ïîåäó â Ãðåöèþ, à â Ñøà ìîãó è íå ïîïàñòü â ñëåäóþùåì ãîäó, ïîåõàòü â Ñøà-äåíåã íå õâàòàåò(
Ïîäñêàæèòå ÷òî äåëàòü, íó èëè õîòÿ áû ñâî¸ ìíåíèå, êàê áûâàëûõ...
Âàðèàíò îäèí: ñðî÷íî çàðàáîòàòü äåíåã.
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MaxiM
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Íîâè÷îê


: 18.05.2012
: 3

: , 18, 2012 11:15am     :

Âñåì ïðèâåò!
Î÷åíü õî÷ó ïîëó÷èòü ñîâåò ïî ïîâîäó ñòàæèðîâêè â ÑØÀ. 4 ãîäà íàçàä çàêîí÷èëà ÂÓÇ ïî ñïåöèàëüíîñòè "ôèíàíñîâûé ìåíåäæìåíò".  äàííûé ìîìåíò ðàáîòàþ ïîìîùíèêîì ìåíåäæåðà ïî ïðîäàæàì (ñòàæ - 2 ãîäà). Îáùèé ñòàæ ðàáîòû - 4 ãîäà (ïðàâäà, åñòü ïåðåðûâ â ðàáîòå 1 ãîä). Âîïðîñû ó ìåíÿ òàêèå:

1. Ò.ê. ó ìåíÿ ôèíàíñîâîå îáðàçîâàíèå, òî ñòàæèðîâêó ïëàíèðóþ èñêàòü â ôèíàíñîâîì ñåêòîðå. Ìíå ñòîèò èñêàòü èìåííî internship èëè training? Âåäü ïîä internship ÿ óæå íå ïîäõîæó, ò.ê. íåñâåæèé âûïóñêíèê. ×åì îòëè÷àåòñÿ îäíî îò äðóãîãî? Íàñêîëüêî ÿ ìîãó ñóäèòü, êîëè÷åñòâî internship íà ñàéòàõ ïî òðóäîóñòðîéñòâó íåñðàâíèìî áîëüøå training. È êàê â ýòîì ñëó÷àå ñåáÿ íàçûâàòü â ðåçþìå: trainee èëè intern?

2. Êàê ãðàìîòíåå óêàçàòü â ðåçþìå ïåðåðûâ â ðàáîòå â 1 ãîä (ñâÿçàí ñ êðèçèñîì, íåïðîñòî áûëî íàéòè ðàáîòó)?

Åñëè åñòü íà ýòîì ôîðóìå âûïóñêíèêè ôèíàíñîâûõ/ýêîíîìè÷åñêèõ ñïåöèàëüíîñòåé, îòêëèêíèòåñü, ïîæàëóéñòà.
Hashish
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


: 06.03.2008
: 1231

: , 18, 2012 11:09pm     :

1. Íè÷åì. Ýòî ðàçëè÷èå â ïðîãðàììàõ Ãîñäåïàðòàìåíòà, ðàáîòîäàòåëÿì ôèîëåòîâî. Intern - ìåíåå ìóðçèëêîïîäîáíûé òåðìèí, ïîýòîìó åãî è áîëüøå.

2. Âîò òàê âåñüìà ãðàìîòíî:

2010-present Contoso Ltd.
2008-2009 A. Datum Corporation
topag
Íîâè÷îê


: 18.05.2012
: 3

: , 26, 2012 7:11am     :

ßñíî.

Ñòàæèðîâêó ñòîèò èñêàòü èìåííî ïî êëþ÷åâûì ñëîâàì intern/internship/trainee/training? Ëèáî æå ìîæíî èñêàòü ïî assistant, íàïðèìåð, íî òîãäà ýòî áóäåò ýæå ðàáîòà, à íå ñòàæèðîâêà?.. Èëè òóò ãëàâíîå áóäåò îôîðìèòü êàê ñòàæèðîâêó ñ training plan è âñåì îñòàëüíûì, åñëè ÿ âäðóã íàéäó âñå-òàêè?.. Ò.ê. ÿ õî÷ó íàéòè â èäåàëå ñòàæèðîâêó â ôèíàíñàõ, òî ñìîòðþ ñòàæèðîâêè ïî êëþ÷åâûì ñëîâàì finance internship... Íå çíàþ, êàê ìîæíî ðàñøèðèòü ïîèñê... Âåäü íà ñàìîì äåëå äèïëîì ó ìåíÿ "ìåíåäæìåíò îãðàíèçàöèè" ñî ñïåöèàëèçàöèåé "ôèíàíñîâûé ìåíåäæìåíò".

Íóæíî ëè óêàçûâàòü â ðåçþìå, ÷òî ÿ èùó îïëà÷èâàåìóþ èëè íåîïëà÷èâàåìóþ ñòàæèðîâêó?

È åùå, ñòîèò ëè ýâàëþèðîâàòü äèïëîì?  îïèñàíèÿõ ñòàæèðîâîê ïðàêòè÷åñêè âåçäå ñòîèò òðåáîâàíèå ïî GPA íå íèæå òàêîãî-òî. Òàê ëè ýòî âàæíî? Äàåò ëè ýòî "î÷êîâ" ðåçþìå? Òðåáóåò ëè ðàáîòîäàòåëü ïðåäîñòàâèòü äèïëîì?
Hashish
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


: 06.03.2008
: 1231

: , 27, 2012 4:06am     :

topag ():
Ñòàæèðîâêó ñòîèò èñêàòü èìåííî ïî êëþ÷åâûì ñëîâàì intern/internship/trainee/training? Ëèáî æå ìîæíî èñêàòü ïî assistant, íàïðèìåð, íî òîãäà ýòî áóäåò ýæå ðàáîòà, à íå ñòàæèðîâêà?.. Èëè òóò ãëàâíîå áóäåò îôîðìèòü êàê ñòàæèðîâêó ñ training plan è âñåì îñòàëüíûì, åñëè ÿ âäðóã íàéäó âñå-òàêè?.. Ò.ê. ÿ õî÷ó íàéòè â èäåàëå ñòàæèðîâêó â ôèíàíñàõ, òî ñìîòðþ ñòàæèðîâêè ïî êëþ÷åâûì ñëîâàì finance internship... Íå çíàþ, êàê ìîæíî ðàñøèðèòü ïîèñê... Âåäü íà ñàìîì äåëå äèïëîì ó ìåíÿ "ìåíåäæìåíò îãðàíèçàöèè" ñî ñïåöèàëèçàöèåé "ôèíàíñîâûé ìåíåäæìåíò".
Äà.  ñìûñëå, äîëæíîñòü íà÷àëüíîãî óðîâíÿ ñ òðåíèíã-ïëàíîì ïðåâðàùàåòñÿ â ñòàæèðîâêó. Íó è âîîáùå âàñ íîãàìè áèòü çà îòîñëàííîå íå â òó êàññó ðåçþìå íå áóäóò - ìîæåò îíè è ñàìè íåäîïåòðèëè íàíÿòü ñòàæåðà.

Êàêóþ èùåòå, òàêóþ è óêàçûâàéòå. Íî íåîïëà÷èâàåìóþ ýòî æ ðàçâå òðóú.

ÕÇ, ÿ íå äåëàë è âîîáùå íèêîìó äèïëîì ñâîé íå ïîêàçûâàë ïî ñåé äåíü.
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Íîâè÷îê


: 18.05.2012
: 3

: , 27, 2012 6:10am     :

Hashish, ñïàñèáî çà îòâåòû!
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Íîâè÷îê


: 04.11.2010
: 36
: Rostov on Don

: , 18, 2012 2:56pm     :

Ïðîøó ïîäñêàçàòü ñ çàïîëíåíèåì ôîðìû DS-7002.
Íàâåðíÿêà åñòü òå, êòî ñòàëêèâàëñÿ ñ ïîäîáíûìè òðóäíîñòÿìè.

Åñòü ñòàíäàðòíàÿ ôîðìà DS-7002 - ýòî çàùèùåííûé pdf file, â êîòîðûé íåëüçÿ âñòàâèòü ñòðàíèöû. Äåëî â òîì, ÷òî òàì 2 ñòðàíèöû, ïåðâàÿ ñ îáùåé èíôîðìàöèåé, íà âòîðîé - îïèñàíèå ôàçû ñòàæèðîâêè. Äåëî â òîì, ÷òî ôàç áóäåò íåñêîëüêî, à âòîðàÿ ñòðàíèöà âñåãî îäíà. Åñëè çàïîëíèòü íåñêîëüêî ðàçíûõ ôàéëîâ, òî ìû ïîëó÷èì êó÷ó ñòðàíèö ñ íóìåðàöèåé page 2 of 2, ÷òî íàâåðíîå íå õîðîøî äëÿ äîêóìåíòà, êîòîðûé ïðîéäåò ÷åðåç ïîñîëüñòâî.

×òî ìîæíî ñäåëàòü â äàííîé ñèòóàöèè? (PDF çàùèùåí, ïåðåãíàòü åãî â doc íå óäàëîñü).
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Stay hungry, stay foolish. (C)
Hashish
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


: 06.03.2008
: 1231

: , 20, 2012 1:52am     :

Íó òàì æå íàïèñàíî íà ñàìîé ôîðìå - ñäåëàéòå íåñêîëüêî êîïèé âòîðîé ñòðàíèöû ïî êîëè÷åñòâó ôàç.
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Íîâè÷îê


: 04.11.2010
: 36
: Rostov on Don

: , 21, 2012 7:04pm     :

Hashish ():
Íó òàì æå íàïèñàíî íà ñàìîé ôîðìå - ñäåëàéòå íåñêîëüêî êîïèé âòîðîé ñòðàíèöû ïî êîëè÷åñòâó ôàç.


Hashish, âû êàê âñåãäà íåïðåâçîéäåííû â ñîâåé îñâåäîìëåííîñòè îáî âñåõ àñïåêòàõ. Áëàãîäàðþ çà îòâåò, äåéñòâèòåëüíî ïðè âíèìàòåëüíîì èçó÷åíèè äîêóìåíòà ýòó ôðàçó ÿ íàøåë.

Óâû, ðàáîòîäàòåëü ìíå îòêàçàë, íî òåïåðü ó ìåíÿ åñòü çàïîëíåííûé training Plan, íàä êîòîðûì óæå íå ïðèäåòñÿ ñòîëüêî ðàáîòàòü.

Âîîáùå ñ ýòèì ðàáîòîäàòåëåì âûøëà ñòðàííàÿ ñèòóàöèÿ. Ñíà÷àëà îí íàïèñàë, ÷òî çàèíòåðåñîâàí. Ñïðîñèë ïðî ìîè çàðïëàòíûå îæèäàíèÿ, ÿ îòâåòèë, îí íàïèñàë - ÿ çàèíòåðåñîâàí, ÷òî ñ âèçîé? ß îïèñàë J-1 (Career Training) è H1B. Íàïèñàë, ÷òî ïðåäëàãàþ íà÷àòü ñ J-1 (áûñòðåå, ïðîùå, äåøåâëå) à òàì ïî ìîèì ðåçóëüòàòàì áóäåò âèäíî è ìîæíî è H1B ñäåëàòü.
Íèæå âûêëàäûâàþ îêîí÷àíèå ïåðåïèñêè, âîïðîñ ïîñëåäóåò â êîíöå:
Employer
:
I am interested. What are the next steps?

Candidate
:
Below is a brief step-by-step plan:

1) I have just contacted sponsor organization (Inter Exchange) and informed that we are starting application process;
2) I am going to fill DS-7002 Form (Training Plan). Then I'll send it to you to verify, edit and sign. (Preparation will take a few days);
3) Training plan with other my documents will be sent to Inter Exchange to request DS-2019 form.
4) When DS-2019 will be received I send it to US Embassy;
5) Interview in Embassy and getting J-1 visa;
6) Arrival to the USA.

Candidate
:
Hello Josh,

In attachments you will find two documents:

1) Host Employer Agreement Form. This form is intended for sponsor
organization InterExchange, Inc.

2) DS-7002 form (Training Plan). It is secured PDF file which is
consist of two pages. The first includes general information; the
second includes phase of work. According to the requirements DS-7002
must include several phases. The second page of each file includes
different phase. Sorry for inconvenience, but this secured PDF
document is provided by Department of State and cannot be edited. As
the result we need only one first page and five second pages.

I would like to pay your attention that DS-7002 form is intended for
US Embassy and must be formally and properly organized. It is filled
by employer but I offer my version just to save your time. You can
edit any field (or even every field) in this document if needed.

Moreover I understand that working process in Company's name,
Inc. will be organized according to the business needs. Described
duties, responsibilities and tasks may be accomplished in a different
order.

When both files will be filled you should print it, put handwritten
signatures, scan and send it to me by e-mail.

I am ready to answer any questions.

Employer
:
Hello,
I have to inform you that due to unforeseen issues I cannot at this time consider sponsoring you to come and work at our company. I am sorry for this new development and wish you the best in your endeavors .
Sincerely,

Candidate
:
Hello Josh,

I am sorry but I did not understand at all current situation. As I
wrote previously your company doesn't have to sponsor my visa. Sponsor
is InterExchange, Inc. and my costs will be about $2000. You company
has to pay only $250 just in case IF it is smaller than 25 employees
or has annual revenue less then $3 000 000.

You wrote that you are interested after I described visa options.

Employer
:
It has nothing to do with you. Internally we are reorganizing and downsizing and will not need any additional help in the immediate future.
I thank you for your interest and am sorry I may have causde you any inconvenience.


À òåïåðü, óâàæàåìûå çíàòîêè, âíèìàíèå, âîïðîñ:
Ïî êàêîé ïðè÷èíå ÿ ìîã ïîëó÷èòü îòêàç è ñòîëü íåëåïîå îáúÿñíåíèå î ïðè÷èíàõ, â êîòîðîå äàæå ðåáåíêó ïîâåðèòü òðóäíî?


Ìîÿ âåðñèÿ (ìîæåò ôàíòàñòèêà, ëþäè ñ îïûòîì ïîïðàâÿò) - êîìïàíèÿ íå áîëüøàÿ, âîçìîæíî òàì ñåðàÿ áóõãàëòåðèÿ èëè ÷òî-òî ïîäîáíîå, èíîñòðàííûé ðàáîòíèê ìîæåò âûçâàòü ïðîâåðêè è ò.ï. ñî ñòîðîíû ãîñ îðãàíîâ. Íó óæ î÷åíü ÿ ïîäõîäèë èì ïî îïûòó/ñêèëëó, è íåîäíîêðàòíî ïèñàëè, ÷òî çàèíòåðåñîâàíû, à ïîòîì ðåçêî ïåðåäóìàëè.
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Stay hungry, stay foolish. (C)
Hashish
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


: 06.03.2008
: 1231

: , 22, 2012 4:28am     :

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Candidate
:
Below is a brief step-by-step plan:

1) I have just contacted sponsor organization (Inter Exchange) and informed that we are starting application process;
2) I am going to fill DS-7002 Form (Training Plan). Then I'll send it to you to verify, edit and sign. (Preparation will take a few days);
3) Training plan with other my documents will be sent to Inter Exchange to request DS-2019 form.
4) When DS-2019 will be received I send it to US Embassy;
5) Interview in Embassy and getting J-1 visa;
6) Arrival to the USA.
Âîò òóò âû î÷åíü ìíîãî áóêâ íàïèñàëè. Ïåðåïóòàëè ñ àêêàóíòîì â Òâèòòåðå, íàâåðíîå. Íàäî áûëî ñêàçàòü - âî âëîæåíèè ôîðìà, ïîñòàâüòå ïîäïèñè ãäå îòìå÷åíî ãàëî÷êîé.

Íî ëåñîì âàñ îòïðàâèëè ïîíÿòíî íå ïîýòîìó. Ïðîñòî ÷åëîâåê ïîäóìàë èëè ïîñîâåòîâàëñÿ ñ êåì-òî è áûëî ðåøåíî íå ñâÿçûâàòüñÿ ñî ñïîíñîðñòâîì âèçû. Íå ïåðåæèâàéòå, òàêîå ñëó÷èòñÿ åù¸ íå ðàç. Ìåíÿ, íàïðèìåð, íà ëè÷íîå èíòåðâüþ ïðèãëàøàëè, çàðïëàòó îçâó÷èâàëè, ãîâîðèëè ÷òî âñ¸ æåëåçíî, ïîçâîíÿò ñ äàòîé íà÷àëà ðàáîòû, ïîòîì ïðîïàäàëè.
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: 04.11.2010
: 36
: Rostov on Don

: , 22, 2012 3:37pm     :

Hashish, áëàãîäàðþ!

Ïîòèõîíüêó íà÷èíàþ âòÿãèâàòüñÿ è ïîëó÷àòü ïåðâîå ïðåäñòâàëåíèå î òîì, êàê ïîñòóïàþò àìåðèêàíñêèå ðàáîòîäàòåëè è îá èõ îñîáåííîñòÿõ âåäåíèÿ äåë.
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Stay hungry, stay foolish. (C)
Andrew
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: 01.03.2003
: 10421
: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US

: , 23, 2012 2:56am     :

Hashish ():
Íî ëåñîì âàñ îòïðàâèëè ïîíÿòíî íå ïîýòîìó. Ïðîñòî ÷åëîâåê ïîäóìàë èëè ïîñîâåòîâàëñÿ ñ êåì-òî è áûëî ðåøåíî íå ñâÿçûâàòüñÿ ñî ñïîíñîðñòâîì âèçû. Íå ïåðåæèâàéòå, òàêîå ñëó÷èòñÿ åù¸ íå ðàç.

Ñîãëàñåí.

Ýòîò åùå õîòü îòâå÷àë íà ïèñüìà. ß áû íå óäèâèëñÿ, åñëè áû îí ïðîñòî ïðîïàë.

Íå ïðèíèìàé ýòî íà ëè÷íûé ñ÷åò è ïðîäîëæàé ïîèñêè.
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Íîâè÷îê


: 04.11.2010
: 36
: Rostov on Don

: , 25, 2012 11:17am     :

Andrew, ñïàñèáî!

Ïðèõîäèòñÿ ñæèìàòü çóáû è èäòè äàëüøå.
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Stay hungry, stay foolish. (C)
MaxiM
Áóäóùèé àìåðèêàíåö


: 03.06.2003
: 3546
: Moscow

: , 25, 2012 12:03pm     :

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Andrew, ñïàñèáî!

Ïðèõîäèòñÿ ñæèìàòü çóáû è èäòè äàëüøå.
Òåðïåëèâûé ïîëó÷àåò âñå! Óäà÷è!!! Ïîäêàëûâàþ
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MaxiM
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