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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
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Íå âñÿê ñîê îäèíàêîâî ïîëåçåí. Ðàíüøå îí áûë áåç êîíñåðâàíòîâ, à òåïåðü òàì òàêîé áóêåò, ÷òî êàæäûé äåíü åãî ïèòü áîÿçíî. Ëó÷øå êàæäûé äåíü âûæèìàòü Ó íàñ íà íåäåëþ êèëîãðàììîâ ïî 5 ôðóêòîâ è îâîùåé íà óòðåííèé ñîê óõîäèò...
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Íå çíàþ, íàñêîëüêî ýòî ïðàâäà - òî, ÷òî íèæå íàïèøó...
Ïðîèçâîäèòåëè ñîêîâ óòâåðæäàþò, ÷òî êîíöåíòðàòû èç êîòîðûõ ïðîèçâîäÿòñÿ ñîêè (ýòî, íå ïîðîøîê, êñòàòè, à òèïà ñãóùåííîãî ñîêà) äåëàþò èç ëó÷øèõ ñïåëûõ ôðóêòîâ â ìåñòå ñáîðà óðîæàÿ. Ñàìè æå ôðóêòû, êîòîðûå âåçóò â ñåâåðíûå ñòðàíû, ñîáèðàþòñÿ çåëåíûìè è ïîòîì îíè äîçðåâàþò óæå â ïóòè è íà ñêëàäàõ. Èç-çà ÷åãî ïîëåçíûõ âåùåñòâ âî ôðóêòàõ, êîòîðûå ïðîäàþòñÿ â Ðîññèè, ãîðàçäî ìåíüøå, ÷åì äîëæíî áûòü. Ïðè èçãîòîâëåíèè êîíöåíòðàòà è, îñîáåííî, ïðè ïàñòåðèçàöèè ÷àñòü âèòàìèíîâ òîæå óëåòó÷èâàåòñÿ. Òàê ÷òî, â îáùåì, îíî âñ¸ (è ñîê è ôðóêòû íà ñåâåðå) ãîðàçäî ìåíåå ïîëåçíî, ÷åì åñëè ãäå-íèáóäü â Àôðèêå èëè â Èñïàíèè ñêóøàòü ñâåæèé ñîçðåâøèé íà äåðåâå ôðóõò.
Êà÷åñòâî ñîêà çàâèñèò îò êà÷åñòâà êîíöåíòðàòà - ðàçäåëÿþò íà òðè òèïà: õîðîøèé, ñðåäíåíüêèé è "pulp wash".
Íó èëè åñëè â Ðîññèè, òî òîãäà íàäî êóøàòü òîæå ñ äåðåâà, íî ýòî, ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, òîëüêî â èþëå-àâãóñòå è ãîðàçäî ìåíüøèé âûáîð (ÿáëîêè, ñëèâû, âèøíÿ, ñìîðîäèíà).
È î÷åíü õîðîøî îùóùàåòñÿ ïî ñàìî÷óâñòâèþ - â àâãóñòå ñàìîå áîäðîå ñîñòîÿíèå áûâàåò. Õîòÿ çèìîé è ñîêè ïüþ è âñÿêèå àïåëüñèíû ïîêóïàþ.
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Àãà, à åñëè ñåðü¸çíî çàêóïàòüñÿ îäåæäîé - ëåòàåì çà ãðàíèöó. Áåç øóòîê, â áîëüøèíñòâå ñëó÷àåì ðàçíèöà ìåæäó òîé ñóììó êîòîðàÿ îáðàçóåòñÿ ìåæäó öåíàìè â Ðîññèè è öåíàìè çà ðóáåæîì + çàòðàòû íà ïåðåëåò/ïðîæèâàíèåì íåçíà÷èòåëüíû, à íàéòè çà ðóáåæîì ïîä ñåáÿ è â õîðîøåì êà÷åñòâå ãîðàçäî ïðîùå. Åñëè áû ó íàñ åùå òàìîæíÿ íå âíåäðèëî ïðàâèëî îãðàíè÷åíèÿ áåñïîøëèííûõ ïîêóïîê íà îäíîãî ÷åëîâåêà  ïðîøëîì ãîäó òàê çàêóïàëèñü, äóìàþ ïîâòîðþ è â ýòîì. |
Ýòî óæ ñîâñåì êàïèòàëüíî çàêóïàòüñÿ åñëè. ![Øèðîêàÿ óëûáêà](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) |
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MaxNero Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
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Ïðîèçâîäèòåëè ñîêîâ óòâåðæäàþò, ÷òî êîíöåíòðàòû èç êîòîðûõ ïðîèçâîäÿòñÿ ñîêè (ýòî, íå ïîðîøîê, êñòàòè, à òèïà ñãóùåííîãî ñîêà) äåëàþò èç ëó÷øèõ ñïåëûõ ôðóêòîâ â ìåñòå ñáîðà óðîæàÿ. Ñàìè æå ôðóêòû, êîòîðûå âåçóò â ñåâåðíûå ñòðàíû, ñîáèðàþòñÿ çåëåíûìè è ïîòîì îíè äîçðåâàþò óæå â ïóòè è íà ñêëàäàõ. Èç-çà ÷åãî ïîëåçíûõ âåùåñòâ âî ôðóêòàõ, êîòîðûå ïðîäàþòñÿ â Ðîññèè, ãîðàçäî ìåíüøå, ÷åì äîëæíî áûòü. Ïðè èçãîòîâëåíèè êîíöåíòðàòà è, îñîáåííî, ïðè ïàñòåðèçàöèè ÷àñòü âèòàìèíîâ òîæå óëåòó÷èâàåòñÿ. Òàê ÷òî, â îáùåì, îíî âñ¸ (è ñîê è ôðóêòû íà ñåâåðå) ãîðàçäî ìåíåå ïîëåçíî, ÷åì åñëè ãäå-íèáóäü â Àôðèêå èëè â Èñïàíèè ñêóøàòü ñâåæèé ñîçðåâøèé íà äåðåâå ôðóõò. |
Âîò ïîýòîìó, â îñíîâíîì æì¸ì èç êîðíåïëîäîâ – ìîðêîâêà, ñâåêëà + äîïîëíåíèå ïî ñåçîíó.
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Ýòî óæ ñîâñåì êàïèòàëüíî çàêóïàòüñÿ åñëè. ![Øèðîêàÿ óëûáêà](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) |
Ñîâñåì íåò: ó ìåíÿ æåíà ïîêóïàëà ïëàòüå òàì – 80$, òîæå ñàìîå â Ìîñêâå – 350$ (ñìåøíî - äàæå â Èðêóòñêå îäåæäà åâðîïåéñêèõ áðåíäîâ ìåíüøå ñòîèò ÷åì â Ìîñêâå). Îäíà ïîêóïêà ïðàêòè÷åñêè îêóïàåò áèëåòû... Ìíå âîò íàäî çàêóïàòü íîâûå êîñòþìû äëÿ ïîâñåäíåâêè – ÿ çíàþ, ÷òî 5-6 êîñòþìîâ òàì, îáîéäóòñÿ ìíå ðàçà â 4 äåøåâëå, ÷åì àíàëîãè÷íîãî êà÷åñòâà òóò. |
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Sanchez Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
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: 13.03.2008 : 231 : Tatarstan
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Àãà, à åñëè ñåðü¸çíî çàêóïàòüñÿ îäåæäîé - ëåòàåì çà ãðàíèöó... |
Íó ýòî óæå ïåðåõîä ê ðàçíûì óðîâíÿì æèçíè. ß ïîêà íå ìîãó ïåðåëåòû ñåáå ïîçâîëèòü ![Óëûáêà](images/smiles/icon_smile.gif) _________________ No fate... |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
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Âîò ïîýòîìó, â îñíîâíîì æì¸ì èç êîðíåïëîäîâ – ìîðêîâêà, ñâåêëà + äîïîëíåíèå ïî ñåçîíó.
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À, äà. Ìîðêîâíûé ñîê - âåù÷ü! ![Óëûáêà](images/smiles/icon_smile.gif) |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
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: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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ó ìåíÿ æåíà ïîêóïàëà ïëàòüå òàì |
Êîãäà ýòî òû óñïåë!?
×òî êàñàåòñÿ íàòóðàëüíîãî ñîêà, ó íàñ â íàøåé Ìåêñèêå àïåëüñèíû ñòîÿò 6 ïàóíäîâ çà äîëëàð, à ÿ âñå çàáûâàþ ñîêîâûæèìàëêó êóïèòü íîðìàëüíóþ ![Óëûáêà](images/smiles/icon_smile.gif) _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ ![](http://gerasimov.org/forum/images/hat.gif) |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
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×òî êàñàåòñÿ íàòóðàëüíîãî ñîêà, ó íàñ â íàøåé Ìåêñèêå àïåëüñèíû ñòîÿò 6 ïàóíäîâ çà äîëëàð, à ÿ âñå çàáûâàþ ñîêîâûæèìàëêó êóïèòü íîðìàëüíóþ ![Óëûáêà](images/smiles/icon_smile.gif) |
Ý-ý-ý, êàê â ðóáëè òî ïåðåâåñòè? 6 ïàóíäîâ - ýòî 3 êèëîãðàììà? Äîëëàð 23 ðóáëÿ... 8 ðóáëåé çà êèëîãðàìì? ¨ëêè-ìîòàëêè! ![Øèðîêàÿ óëûáêà](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
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: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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Ý-ý-ý, êàê â ðóáëè òî ïåðåâåñòè? 6 ïàóíäîâ - ýòî 3 êèëîãðàììà? Äîëëàð 23 ðóáëÿ... 8 ðóáëåé çà êèëîãðàìì? ¨ëêè-ìîòàëêè! ![Øèðîêàÿ óëûáêà](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) |
×òî-òî îêîëî ýòîãî À ó âàñ ñêîëüêî îíè ñòîÿò? _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ ![](http://gerasimov.org/forum/images/hat.gif) |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
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: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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Ý-ý-ý, êàê â ðóáëè òî ïåðåâåñòè? 6 ïàóíäîâ - ýòî 3 êèëîãðàììà? Äîëëàð 23 ðóáëÿ... 8 ðóáëåé çà êèëîãðàìì? ¨ëêè-ìîòàëêè! ![Øèðîêàÿ óëûáêà](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) |
×òî-òî îêîëî ýòîãî À ó âàñ ñêîëüêî îíè ñòîÿò? |
30-40ð/êã.
Òî åñòü, 6 ïàóíäîâ áóäóò ñòîèòü ïðèìåðíî $4.5 |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
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: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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Òî åñòü, 6 ïàóíäîâ áóäóò ñòîèòü ïðèìåðíî $4.5 |
Çàòî ó âàñ åñòü ïåëüìåíè ![Ïîäêàëûâàþ](images/smiles/icon_wink.gif) _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ ![](http://gerasimov.org/forum/images/hat.gif) |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
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Òî åñòü, 6 ïàóíäîâ áóäóò ñòîèòü ïðèìåðíî $4.5 |
Çàòî ó âàñ åñòü ïåëüìåíè ![Ïîäêàëûâàþ](images/smiles/icon_wink.gif) |
Äà-à, åñòü. Íàôèã òîëüêî îíè íóæíû. Êîãäà ãîòîâèòü íåêîìó, êîíå÷íî, êàêîå-òî âðåìÿ ìîæíî èìè ïèòàòüñÿ. |
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Helen_NJ Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
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: 13.11.2003 : 1539 : NC, USA
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: , 2, 2008 1:42am : Re: Óðîâåíü æèçíè |
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À åùå, ïîìíèòå, â ÑÑÑÐ è â íà÷àëå 90-õ íåëüçÿ áûëî ïðîñòî òàê ïîéòè çèìîé â ìàãàçèí è êóïèòü, íàïðèìåð, ïîìèäîðû? È ýòî âîñïðèíèìàëîñü, êàê ñàìî ñîáîé ðàçóìåþùååñÿ: îòêóäà æ çèìîé òî ïîìèäîðû? |
È íà ñàìîì äåëå ýòî áûëî ïðàâèëüíî! Ìàëî òîãî, ÷òî çèìíèå ïîìèäîðû èìåþò ãîðàçäî ìåíüøóþ ïèòàòåëüíóþ öåííîñòü, òàê åùå è ÷òîáû ïðèâåçòè èõ, íóæåí áåíçèí - òîëüêî àòìîñôåðó çðÿ çàãðÿçíÿåì.
Èíòåðåñíî, ÷òî â ÑØÀ ñåé÷àñ íàáèðàåò ñèëó äâèæåíèå "locawores", ïðåäñòàâèòåëè êîòîðîãî ïèòàþòñÿ òîëüêî (èëè â îñíîâíîì) ëîêàëüíî ïðîèçâåäåííûìè ïðîäóêòàìè, ñîîòâåòñòâåííî ñåçîíó. |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
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Äà ó íàñ è ëåòîì ïîëîâèíà ïîìèäîð - òóðåöêèå ïðîäàþòñÿ, à ëóê - óçáåêñêèé. À áàíàíû, àíàíàñû, êðàñíûå ÿáëîêè, êèâè, àïåëüñèíû, ìàíäàðèíû, ëèìîíû â òîâàðíûõ êîëè÷åñòâàõ - âîîáùå â Ðîññèè íå âûðàùèâàþò. Èõ òåïåðü íå óïîòðåáëÿòü ÷òî ëè?
È, êñòàòè, ñåé÷àñ ôðóêòû-îâîùè è çèìîé óñïåøíî âûðàùèâàåò óôèìñêèé ñîâõîç Àëåêñååâñêèé. Ïî÷åìó â ÑÑÑÐ òîò æå ñîâõîç èõ âûðàùâàèë ìèçåðíîå êîëè÷åñòâî - íåïîíÿòíî. Âåðíåå, ïîíÿòíî: ïëàíîâîå õîçÿéñòâî - íå åñòü õîðîøî. |
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MaxNero Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
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ó ìåíÿ æåíà ïîêóïàëà ïëàòüå òàì |
Êîãäà ýòî òû óñïåë!?
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Æåíèòüñÿ?? Ëåòîì óæå 2 ãîäà áóäåò ![Ïîäêàëûâàþ](images/smiles/icon_wink.gif) |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
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: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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Æåíèòüñÿ?? Ëåòîì óæå 2 ãîäà áóäåò ![Ïîäêàëûâàþ](images/smiles/icon_wink.gif) |
À ÿ è íå çíàë... Ïîçäðàâëÿþ! Êàêîâî ýòî, áûòü äâà ãîäà æåíàòûì? ![Ïîäêàëûâàþ](images/smiles/icon_wink.gif) _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ ![](http://gerasimov.org/forum/images/hat.gif) |
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MaxNero Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
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Æåíèòüñÿ?? Ëåòîì óæå 2 ãîäà áóäåò ![Ïîäêàëûâàþ](images/smiles/icon_wink.gif) |
À ÿ è íå çíàë... Ïîçäðàâëÿþ! Êàêîâî ýòî, áûòü äâà ãîäà æåíàòûì? ![Ïîäêàëûâàþ](images/smiles/icon_wink.gif) |
Ýõ... È ñëîæíî è ïðîñòî Âîò ÷òî òî÷íî - ðàáîòàòü ÿ ñòàë åùå áîëåå ýôôåêòèâíî È âî ìíå ïîëíîñòüþ ðàñêðûëîñü "àìåðèêàíî-åâðîïåéñêîå" îòíîøåíèå ê çàðàáîòêàì . |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
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Âîò ÷òî òî÷íî - ðàáîòàòü ÿ ñòàë åùå áîëåå ýôôåêòèâíî È âî ìíå ïîëíîñòüþ ðàñêðûëîñü "àìåðèêàíî-åâðîïåéñêîå" îòíîøåíèå ê çàðàáîòêàì . |
 ñìûñëå, ÷òîáû íà êðàñèâóþ æèçíü õâàòàëî îáîèì, èëè ÷òîáû äîìà ìåíüøå íàõîäèòüñÿ? ![Ñìåõ](images/smiles/icon_lol.gif) _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ ![](http://gerasimov.org/forum/images/hat.gif) |
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Âîò ÷òî òî÷íî - ðàáîòàòü ÿ ñòàë åùå áîëåå ýôôåêòèâíî È âî ìíå ïîëíîñòüþ ðàñêðûëîñü "àìåðèêàíî-åâðîïåéñêîå" îòíîøåíèå ê çàðàáîòêàì . |
 ñìûñëå, ÷òîáû íà êðàñèâóþ æèçíü õâàòàëî îáîèì, èëè ÷òîáû äîìà ìåíüøå íàõîäèòüñÿ? ![Ñìåõ](images/smiles/icon_lol.gif) |
Íàó÷èëñÿ ñåáÿ ïðîäàâàòü äîðîãî è êðàñèâî.
À íàñ÷¸ò "êðàñèâîé æèçíè" - ñàì æå çíàåøü. Ãëàâà ñåìåéñòâà â ÑØÀ "âûêëàäûâàåòñÿ ïî ïîëíîé" äî 40-45, ÷òî áû îñòàëüíîå ñåìåéñòâî ìîãëî æèòü êðàñèâî. Ó ìåíÿ îñíîâíàÿ ðàáîòà îôèñíàÿ, ñâîé ìàëåíüêèé áèçíåñ - ðàáîòàþ äîìà. Òàê ÷òî íàõîæóñü è íå íàõîæóñü äîìà. |
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Slava ÍËÎ
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À íàñ÷¸ò "êðàñèâîé æèçíè" - ñàì æå çíàåøü. Ãëàâà ñåìåéñòâà â ÑØÀ "âûêëàäûâàåòñÿ ïî ïîëíîé" äî 40-45, ÷òî áû îñòàëüíîå ñåìåéñòâî ìîãëî æèòü êðàñèâî. |
Òàêèõ î÷åíü ìàëî. Òåïåðü âñå áóäóò ïàõàòü äî ñìåòðè êîãäà îòìåíÿò Social Security (àìåð. âèä ïåíñèèé) _________________ Good judgment comes from expirience.
Expirience comes from bad judgment |
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MaxNero Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
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À íàñ÷¸ò "êðàñèâîé æèçíè" - ñàì æå çíàåøü. Ãëàâà ñåìåéñòâà â ÑØÀ "âûêëàäûâàåòñÿ ïî ïîëíîé" äî 40-45, ÷òî áû îñòàëüíîå ñåìåéñòâî ìîãëî æèòü êðàñèâî. |
Òàêèõ î÷åíü ìàëî. Òåïåðü âñå áóäóò ïàõàòü äî ñìåòðè êîãäà îòìåíÿò Social Security (àìåð. âèä ïåíñèèé) |
Íó ïîñëå 45 ìîæíî ðàáîòàòü, íî óæå íå íà "ïîòîìñòâî" è æèëüå.
È... ê áîëüøîìó ñîæàëåíèþ, ñóäÿ ïî ñîáûòèÿì ýòî îæèäàåòñÿ ïî âñåìó ñâåòó - áóêâàëüíî åùå íåñêîëüêî ïîêîëåíèé ñìîãóò "íàñëàäèòüñÿ" íîðìàëüíîé ïåíñèåé, à íûíåøíÿÿ ìîëîäåæ ìîæåò ðàññ÷èòûâàòü òîëüêî íà ñåáÿ (÷åãî ñòîÿò ïðîøëîãîäíèå ïåðåãîâîðû GM ñ ïðîôñîþçàìè - ñîãëàñèå íà ïîâûøåííûå ëüãîòû ñåé÷àñ â ðàñ÷¸ò íà ïîíèæåíèå äëÿ áóäóùèõ ðàáîòíèêîâ) - âîò îí ðåçóëüòàò ðîñòà ïðîäîëæèòåëüíîñòè æèçíè, êîëè÷åñòâî íàñåëåíèå íà çåìëå è ò.ä. ... Ïîýòîìó - äåòè ýòî íàøå âñå ![Óëûáêà](images/smiles/icon_smile.gif) |
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Slava ÍËÎ
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Íó ïîñëå 45 ìîæíî ðàáîòàòü, íî óæå íå íà "ïîòîìñòâî" è æèëüå. |
Íå ôàêò. Âåäü 30-ëåòíèå êðåäèòû íà æèëüå åùå íèêòî íå îòìåíÿë. È åñëè äàæå åãî âçÿòü â 20-25 ëåò òî âñå ðàâíî îòïëà÷èâàòü ìèíèìóì äî 50. Åñòü, ëþäè êîòîðûå ìîãóò áîëüøå íå ðàáîòàòü ïîñëå 45. Íî òàêèõ î÷åíü ìàëî ïîòîìó ÷òî â ñâîåé ìàññå àìåðèêàíöû áåçãðàìîòíû â ôèíàíñîâûõ âîïðîñàõ. Òàêîå ïîíÿòèå êàê îòêëàäûâàòü äåíüãè ó áîëüøèíñòâà îòñóòñòâóåò âîîáùå. Âîò âñå è ïðîâîäÿò ÂÑÞ æèçíü ïî óøè â êðåäèòàõ. Êñòàòè àìåðèêàíöè âîîáùå íèãäå íå ó÷àòüñÿ êàê îáðàùàòüñÿ äåíüãàìè. ß ïîíèìàþ ÷òî â Ðàøå òîæå íàâåðíîå òàêîãî íåòó. ÍÎ â Àìåðèêå íåñêîëüêî ìíå êàæåòñÿ íàâîðî÷åíåå ñèñòåìà ñî âñåìè êðåäèòàìè (êâàðòèðà, ìàøèíà, êàðòî÷êè è ò.ä.), íàëîãàìè.
ß ðàçãîâàðèâàþ ñ ìîèì ðîâåñòíèêàìè è ìíîãèå èç íèõ äàæå ïðîñòûõ âåùåé íå çíàþò. Íî îá ýòîì æå íàäî ÷èòàòü. À âñåì íàìíîãî áîëåå èíòåðåñíî êàêîé íîâûå ñóïåð-ïóïåð Ò èëè ìàøèíà âûøëè â ñâåò. Èëè êàêàÿ íîâàÿ ñóìêà îò Gucci ïîÿâèëàñü.
Ïîòðåáèòåëüñêàÿ íàöèÿ ÷òî òóò åùå ñêàçàòü....
Òàê ÷òî ïîñëå 45 ÌÎÆÍÎ óæå íå ðàáîòàòü. Òîëüêî òàêèõ íå òàê óæ è ìíîãî...
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È... ê áîëüøîìó ñîæàëåíèþ, ñóäÿ ïî ñîáûòèÿì ýòî îæèäàåòñÿ ïî âñåìó ñâåòó |
ß äóìàþ ÷òî ñóäÿ ïî ïîñëåäíèì ñîáûòèÿì ÷àñòè íàñåëåíèÿ ïëàíåòû ñêîðî íå áóäåò. Èëè ó÷åíûå äîëæíû íàéòè êàê äåëàòü íàìíîãî áîëüøå åäû. Ïîòîìó ÷òî ÿ åùå íå ÷èòàë ÷òî åñòü ñïîñîáû óáðàòü food-shortages. Òàê ÷òî ñêîðî äîëæíû áóäóò íà÷àòüñÿ âîéíû çà ðåñóðñû - â îñîíîâíî çåìëþ. Ïîòîìó êàê ñòàíîâèòñÿ òåñíîâàòî íà Çåìëå. _________________ Good judgment comes from expirience.
Expirience comes from bad judgment |
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