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serjik
Íîâè÷îê


: 25.01.2004
: 5

: , 25, 2004 3:02am     : Êëèøå â àíãëèéñêîì è ðàçãîâîðíèê

Çäðàâñòâóéòå, ôîðóìëÿíå!
Ðåøèë ïîñîâåòîâàòüñÿ ñ Âàìè. ß åäó â ÑØÀ ëåòîì ïî ïðîãðàììå W&T. Ìîé àíãëèéñêèé äàâîëüíî íåïëîõ. Íî, êàê ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ñóùåñòâóåò ñëåäóþùàÿ ïðîáëåìà: åñòü íàáîð êëèøå, êîòîðûå ïðèìåíÿþòñÿ â îïðåäåëåííûõ ñèòóàöèÿõ. Ò.å. ÿ ìîãó íà÷àòü ñòðîèòü íåìåðåííóþ êîíñòðóêöèþ, à ìåíÿ íå ïîéìóò òîëüêî èç-çà òîãî, ÷òî â äàííîé ñèòóàöèè ïðèâûêëè ñëûøàòü èìåííî äàííîå êëèøå-âûðàæåíèå. Ïðàâ ëè ÿ? Åñòü ëè òàêàÿ ïðîáëåìà? È ãäå áû ìíå ïîäíàáðàòüñÿ âñÿêèõ âûðàæåíèé.
Áóäó ïðèçíàòåëåí çà ïîìîùü!

Ñåðåãà
L-vira
Ãðàæäàíî÷êà ìèðà


: 05.09.2003
: 909
: Kazan, Ru

: , 25, 2004 4:27am     :

Íå áîèñü, ïîéìóò - ãëàâíîå íå ìîë÷àòü
À ïîíàáðàòüñÿ âñåãî ìîæíî â ôèëüìàõ, íàïðèìåð - ìäà - èäåÿ íîâà, êàê ìèð Íå çíàþ
Oluna
Ïòèöà-Ãîâîðóí


: 07.03.2003
: 931
: Piter-Santa Clara, CA

: , 25, 2004 9:27am     :

Çàéäè íà ýòîò ñàéò - ïî êàæäîìó ðàçäåëó äàí ìèíè-ðàçãîâîðíèê. È òóò - îäèí èç ëó÷øèõ, íà ìîé âçãëÿä so-called ðàçãîâîðíèêîâ - íà ñàéòå èäè ïðÿìî ïî ññûëêå â âåðõíåì ìåíþ.
À âîîáùå òû èõ âñåõ â Øòàòàõ íàõâàòàåøüñÿ - ãëàâíîå ïîâòîðÿòü, êàê ïîïêà, à íå ãîâîðèòü èíñòèòóòñêèìè òåìàìè Óëûáêà
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In our country we have three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. - Mark Twain
serjik
Íîâè÷îê


: 25.01.2004
: 5

: , 28, 2004 12:37am     :

Oluna ():
Çàéäè íà ýòîò ñàéò - ïî êàæäîìó ðàçäåëó äàí ìèíè-ðàçãîâîðíèê. È òóò - îäèí èç ëó÷øèõ, íà ìîé âçãëÿä so-called ðàçãîâîðíèêîâ - íà ñàéòå èäè ïðÿìî ïî ññûëêå â âåðõíåì ìåíþ.
À âîîáùå òû èõ âñåõ â Øòàòàõ íàõâàòàåøüñÿ - ãëàâíîå ïîâòîðÿòü, êàê ïîïêà, à íå ãîâîðèòü èíñòèòóòñêèìè òåìàìè Óëûáêà


Îãðîìíîå ïàñèáî çà ññûëî÷êè. Îáÿçàòåëüíî ïî÷èòàþ. Íà ñàìîì äåëå â óíèâåðå áûë óæå îòñòîéíûé àíãëèéñêèéÃðóñòü( Íî ïåðåä ýòèì áûëî îäèííàäöàòü ëåò ñïåöøêîëû. Ïèøó ÿ íîðìàëüíî - ìíîãî ïðèõîäèòñÿ ýòî äåëàòü, à âîò ãîâîðèòü íå ñ êåìÃðóñòü( À âñå-òàêè äëÿ íà÷àëà íåîáõîäèì êàêîé-òî íàáîð âñÿêèõ ñëîâå÷åê, òàê ÷òî åñëè åùå íàéäåòå ÷òî-íòü - êèäàéòå!! Î÷åíü ïîìîæåòåÓëûáêà)
Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷


: 01.03.2003
: 10421
: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US

: , 28, 2004 12:56am     :

serjik ():
à âîò ãîâîðèòü íå ñ êåìÃðóñòü(

Íå âåðþ, ÷òî íå ñ êåì. Ïîñòàâü ãîëîñîâîé ÷àò, è âïåðåä, âåñü ìèð ó òâîèõ íîã Óëûáêà
Ïîäðîáíîñòè
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Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ
MaxiM






: , 28, 2004 1:02am     :

Andrew ():
serjik ():
à âîò ãîâîðèòü íå ñ êåìÃðóñòü(

Íå âåðþ, ÷òî íå ñ êåì. Ïîñòàâü ãîëîñîâîé ÷àò, è âïåðåä, âåñü ìèð ó òâîèõ íîã Óëûáêà
Ïîäðîáíîñòè


Àíäðåé, ïðî÷èòàë ïîäðîáíîñòè - ïîíðàâèëîñü, ïîÿâèëñÿ ñòèìóë îòðåìîíòèðîâàòü äîìàøíèé êîìïüþòåð èëè êóïèòü íîâûé Îðêåñòð
serjik
Íîâè÷îê


: 25.01.2004
: 5

: , 28, 2004 10:44am     : Paltalk

Andrew ():
serjik ():
à âîò ãîâîðèòü íå ñ êåìÃðóñòü(

Íå âåðþ, ÷òî íå ñ êåì. Ïîñòàâü ãîëîñîâîé ÷àò, è âïåðåä, âåñü ìèð ó òâîèõ íîã Óëûáêà
Ïîäðîáíîñòè


Àíäðåé, à òû ãäå ñåé÷àñ òåððèòîðèàëüíî? Ó òåáÿ õîðîøåå êà÷åñòâî çâóêà?
ß óæå ñòàâèë âñå ýòè ïðîãè, íî êà÷åñòâî ïðîñòî îòâðàòèòåëüíîå, õîòÿ èíòåðíåò ó ìåíÿ ñîñ êîðîñòüþ 100mbit ÷åðåç îïòîâîëîêíî.
Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷


: 01.03.2003
: 10421
: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US

: , 28, 2004 10:51am     :

serjik ():
Àíäðåé, à òû ãäå ñåé÷àñ òåððèòîðèàëüíî?

×èòàé ïîä àâàòàðîé Óëûáêà

serjik ():
Ó òåáÿ õîðîøåå êà÷åñòâî çâóêà?

Âïîëíå ïðèåìëåìîå äëÿ çâóêà ÷åðåç èíåò. Ñëûøó, ÷òî ìíå ãîâîðÿò áåç ïðîáëåì è ìåíÿ ñëûøàò áåç ïðîáëåì.

serjik ():
ß óæå ñòàâèë âñå ýòè ïðîãè, íî êà÷åñòâî ïðîñòî îòâðàòèòåëüíîå, õîòÿ èíòåðíåò ó ìåíÿ ñîñ êîðîñòüþ 100mbit ÷åðåç îïòîâîëîêíî.

Ñòðàííî Íå çíàþ
Èìåííî Pal Talk ïðîáîâàë? Ó ìåíÿ, ïîìíþ, äàæå íà ìîäåìå 14 400 ðàíüøå áîëåå ìåíåå áûëî, õîòÿ êîíå÷íî òîðìîçèëî äîñòàòî÷íî ñèëüíî. Íî íà 28 800 óæå íèêàêèõ ïðîáëåì, íå ãîâîðÿ óæå îá îïòîâîëîêíå.
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Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ
serjik
Íîâè÷îê


: 25.01.2004
: 5

: , 29, 2004 10:09am     :

Andrew ():

serjik ():
ß óæå ñòàâèë âñå ýòè ïðîãè, íî êà÷åñòâî ïðîñòî îòâðàòèòåëüíîå, õîòÿ èíòåðíåò ó ìåíÿ ñîñ êîðîñòüþ 100mbit ÷åðåç îïòîâîëîêíî.

Ñòðàííî Íå çíàþ
Èìåííî Pal Talk ïðîáîâàë? Ó ìåíÿ, ïîìíþ, äàæå íà ìîäåìå 14 400 ðàíüøå áîëåå ìåíåå áûëî, õîòÿ êîíå÷íî òîðìîçèëî äîñòàòî÷íî ñèëüíî. Íî íà 28 800 óæå íèêàêèõ ïðîáëåì, íå ãîâîðÿ óæå îá îïòîâîëîêíå.


Äà ÿ ïðîáîâàë è PalTalk è ìíîãî ÷åãî åùå - ïî ðîäó äåÿòåëüíîñòè ïðèõîäèëîñü, íî ÷å-òî îíî äåéñòâèòåëüíî íå î÷åíü õîðîøî ðàáîòàåò Ãðóñòü
Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷


: 01.03.2003
: 10421
: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US

: , 29, 2004 11:52am     :

Ó ìåíÿ ó òîâàðèùà íà ðàáîòå òîæå îïòîâîëîêíî ñòîèò, íî Pal Talk èíîãäà òîðìîçèò èç-çà òîãî, ÷òî ÷åðåç ýòî îïòîâîëîêíî â èíåò õîäèò âåñü îòäåë. Êîãäà òðàôèê íå ñèëüíûé – âñå âïîëíå íîðìàëüíî ñëûøíî. Âîò, èíòåðåñíàÿ ññûëêà: Speed Test. Çàéäè è äîæäèñü ïîëíîé çàãðóçêè ñòðàíèöû (ó ìåíÿ ýòî áûëî íåñêîëüêî ìèíóò, íà îïòîâîëîêíå – äàæå íå çíàþ) è òû óçíàåøü ñâîþ òî÷íóþ ñêîðîñòü â ýòîò ìîìåíò. Åñëè áîëüøå 28800 – òî ïðîáëåìà, ñêîðåé âñåãî, íå â èíåòå.
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Helen_NJ
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


: 13.11.2003
: 1539
: NC, USA

: , 2, 2004 12:09am     :

Oluna ():
Çàéäè íà ýòîò ñàéò - ïî êàæäîìó ðàçäåëó äàí ìèíè-ðàçãîâîðíèê.


Ñìåõ Ñìåõ Ñìåõ Ñìåõ Ñìåõ Ñìåõ Ñìåõ

Îõ, Oluna, íó è óäðóæèëà - ÿ òàê íå ñìåÿëàñü ñ ïðîñìîòðà "Äâóõ ñîðâàííûõ áàøåí"!!! Íó ïðîñòî äî ñëåç! Âîò âñåãî ëèøü íåñêîëüêî ïåðëîâ ñ ñàéòà "Óçíàé Àìåðèêó":

ñåäàí - saloon / sedan
Doverieaf - òðàíñïîðòíàÿ ðàçâÿçêà "êëåâåðíûé ëèñò"
Ïðîøó âàñ... âûìûòü ìàøèíó/ çàïðàâèòü ìàøèíó/ äîëèòü â ðàäèàòîð âîäó/ àíòèôðèç - Please, wash a motor-car/ fills tank/ ads water/ antifreeze (to radiator).

Íó è ýòî ïðîñòî áåñöåííî:

"Ó ìåíÿ ñëîìàëàñü ìàøèíà - My car was. "

ß òàê è ïðåäñòàâëÿþ, êàê êòî-íèáóäü ïîäõîäèò ê àìåðèêàíöàì ñ òàêèìè ïåðëàìè! "Wash a motor-car"! Ñìåõ È ýòî òîëüêî ðàçäåë "àâòîìîáèëè"! Â ðàçäåëå "âêóñíûé ñëîâàðèê" âàñ îæèäàåò, íàïðèìåð, òàêîå:

"Corn dog - ñîñèñêà â êóêóðóçíîì ïî÷àòêå èëè ïîäæàðåííûé êóêóðóçíûé ïî÷àòîê"

Òàê áû è íàïèñàëè "ýòî ÷òî-òî ñâÿçàíîå ñ êóêóðóçîé, íî ìû íå çíàåì, ÷òî". Íó êàê ìîæíî ñîñèñêó çàïèõíóòü  ïî÷àòîê?! (Äëÿ íåñâåäóùèõ: corn dog - ýòî ñîñèñêà â òåñòå èç êóêóðóçíîé ìóêè.) Âïðî÷åì ÷òî òàì àíãëèéñêèé, ñ ðóññêèì ÿçûêîì àâòîðû òîæå íå â ëàäàõ:

"Åñëè æå òû ïîëó÷àåøü permit, òî íå âîäèòåëüñêàÿ ëèöåíçèÿ íå íóæíà, ïîòîìó ÷òî permit - ýòî òîæå óäîñòîâåðåíèå ëè÷íîñòè [...]".

À, íàïðèìåð, ðàçäåë "Àìåðèêàíñêàÿ ëèòåðàòóðà" îòêðûâàåòñÿ ñëåäóþùåé ñåíòåíöèåé: "Àìåðèêó îñâîèëè àíãëè÷àíå, åå ÿçûêîì ñòàë àíãëèéñêèé, è ëèòåðàòóðà óõîäèëà êîðíÿìè â àíãëèéñêóþ ëèòåðàòóðíóþ òðàäèöèþ." Êàê òîíêî ïîäìå÷åíî, îäíàêî! Øèðîêàÿ óëûáêà

Íå çíàþ óæ, êàê íàñ÷åò Àìåðèêè, íî âîò ÷òî ÿ òî÷íî õî÷ó óçíàòü, òàê ýòî ÷òî àâòîðû óïîòðåáëÿëè, êîãäà ïèñàëè ýòîò áðåä?
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Oluna
Ïòèöà-Ãîâîðóí


: 07.03.2003
: 931
: Piter-Santa Clara, CA

: , 2, 2004 4:39am     :

Helen_NJ ():
Íå çíàþ óæ, êàê íàñ÷åò Àìåðèêè, íî âîò ÷òî ÿ òî÷íî õî÷ó óçíàòü, òàê ýòî ÷òî àâòîðû óïîòðåáëÿëè, êîãäà ïèñàëè ýòîò áðåä?

À êòî åãî çíàåò - ÿ âîîáùå ýòîò ñàéò íå ÷èòàëà Óëûáêà Íî îíè èç Êíàäû - ìîæåò òàì òàê è ãîâîðÿò Óëûáêà
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In our country we have three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. - Mark Twain
Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷


: 01.03.2003
: 10421
: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US

: , 8, 2005 5:20am     :

Íà Subscribe.Ru îòêðûëàñü íîâàÿ èíòåðåñíàÿ ðàññûëêà - Ïîäãîòîâêà ê "GRE Idioms & Sleng". Íå ìîãó ñäåðæàòüñÿ, ÷òîáû íå îïóáëèêîâàòü âåñü âûïóñê Óëûáêà

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ace: make an "A" on a test, homework assignment, project, etc. Ïîëó÷èòü 5 çà çàäàíèå, ïðîéòè èñïûòàíèå óñïåøíî.

"Somebody said you aced the test, Dave. That's great!"

"Family sedans ace crash test."

as easy as pie : very easy.

"I thought you said this was a difficult problem. It isn't. In fact, it's as easy as pie."

"The midterm should be easy as pie if you prepare well."

"Baking great bread is as easy as pie with this brand-new breadmaker."

bad-mouth: say unkind, unflattering, embarrassing (and probably untrue) things about someone. Ñêâåðíîñëîâíèòü è ãîâîðèòü ãàäîñòè ïðî äðóãèõ.

"I don't believe what Bob said. Why is he bad-mouthing me?"
"He's probably jealous of your success."

"...those cross-Atlantic aficionados who persistently idolize the British theater and bad-mouth Broadway"

be all ears: be eager to hear what someone has to say. Âíèìàòåëüíî ñëóøàòü. Ìíå íðàâèòñÿ ýòî âûðàæåíèå: "ß âñÿ - óøè!"

"I just got an e-mail message from our old friend Sally."
"Tell me what she said. I'm all ears!"

"We can talk now, I'm all ears."

"When I said we were going to go away on vacation, he was all ears."

chow, chow down: eat ïîæåâàòü, ïåðåêóñèòü.

"How's the chow in the university cafeteria?"

"It's almost 6:00. Are you ready to chow down?"

bite off more than one can chew: take responsibility for more than one can manage. Îòêóñèòü áîëüøå, ÷åì â ñîñòîÿíèè ñúåñòü.

"I'm really behind with my project. Can you help me? I'm afraid I bit off more than I could chew!"

"Do your best. Do whatever you can, but don't bite off more than you can chew."

the bottom line: the most essential information.  íàøåé ðàçãîâîðíîé ðå÷è îáû÷íî ãîâîðÿò: "ïîäâîäÿ èòîãè", "â êîíöå êîíöîâ", "âàæíåå âñåãî òî..."

"Bottom line is that the US plays togeather all year round and sends its best players..."

"The bottom line is that we won't really know if it works until we try it..."

"Bottom line: Is it good for you? Or bad?"

Break a leg!: Good luck! ×òî-òî âðîäå íàøåãî "íè ïóõà íè ïåðà!"

"I understand you have a job interview tomorrow. Break a leg!"

"Break a leg in your game today."

chicken (adjective or noun): cowardly.
È òàê ïîíÿòíî - öûïëåíîê!

"Fred will never ask Lucy for a date. He's a chicken!"

cool (also kewl): neat, special, wonderful. Cool it!: calm down. Îò ñëîâà "Êó-ó-óë" â íîâî-ðóññêîì ÿçûêå îáðàçîâàëîñü óæå "Êóëüíåíüêî!"

"The ESL Cafe on the Web is really cool!"

"There's no need to be so upset. Just cool it!"

cost an arm and a leg: cost a lot; be very expensive. Íó î÷åíü äîðîãî!

"Your new car is really nice."
"It should be. It cost me an arm and a leg!"

crash course: short course designed to give a lot of knowledge/information in a very short time. Ñðî÷íàÿ ïîäãîòîâêà ê ÷åìó-òî. (Êðàø-êóðñ - õîðîøî çâó÷èò! i like it)

"Tom's company is sending him to a business meeting in Istanbul.
Should he take a crash course in Turkish?"

copycat: someone who copies another person’s work etc. Ïîäðàæàòü êîìó-òî, êîïèðîâàòü ÷üå-òî ïîâåäåíèå. Ýòî ñëîâî ïðèìåíÿåòñÿ è êàê ãëàãîë, è êàê ñóùåñòâèòåëüíîå, è êàê ïðèëàãàòåëüíîå.

"He is a copycat according to the other students in the class."

"Dr. Helen Hudson (Sigourney Weaver) is the target of a psychopathic copycat killer who wishes to make her the most famous serial killer victim in history."

cry wolf: give a false alarm; warn of a danger that is not there. Êðè÷àòü "Âîëêè!" Áóäîðàæèòü íàïðàñíî, âðàòü, äåçèíôîðìèðîâàòü è ò.ï. Ýòî î÷åíü èçâåñòíàÿ ïî äåòñêèì ñêàçêàìè èäèîìà.

"He is crying wolf. There is no real danger or worry about the electrical system causing a fire."

"The Boy Who Cried Wolf" ñêàçêà
http://www.storyarts.org/library/aesops/stories/boy.html

curiosity killed the cat: being too nosy may lead a person into trouble Ëþáîïûòñòâî ïîãóáèëî êîøêó. Ýòî àíàëîã ëþáîïûòíîé Âàðâàðå, êîòîðîé íà áàçàðå íîñ îòîðâàëè. Êñòàòè, ñëîâî nosy çíà÷èò ëþáîïûòíûé, ïðÿìî êàê íàøà Âàðâàðà... Óëûáêà

"You shouldn’t worry about what he is doing. Remember curiosity killed the cat."

Pig out: to eat a lot all at once - ëîïàòü, óïëåòàòü è ïð.

"The kids pigged out on the candy they had collected on Halloween."

"And what happens with the Atkins diet is that most people will pig out on bacon, cheese, steaks, and other low-carb foods for two or three days..."

"This is the world's best place to pig out".

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Helen_NJ
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: 13.11.2003
: 1539
: NC, USA

: , 8, 2005 9:49pm     :

 ïðèíöèïå âñå ïðàâèëüíî (÷òî î÷åíü ñòðàííî äëÿ ðàññûëêè ñ Subscribe.ru Ïîäêàëûâàþ ), òîëüêî âîò çäåñü òðàêòîâàíèå ñëèøêîì óçêîå:

Andrew ():
bite off more than one can chew: take responsibility for more than one can manage. Îòêóñèòü áîëüøå, ÷åì â ñîñòîÿíèè ñúåñòü.


Ýòî ìîæåò îòíîñèòüñÿ íå òîëüêî ê "responsibility". Èíîãäà òàê ãîâîðÿò, íàïðèìåð, ïðî ëþäåé, êîòîðûå áóêâàëüíî ÷åãî-òî íàõàïàëè, à òåïåðü ñàìè íå çíàþò, ÷òî ñ ýòèì äåëàòü.
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: 01.03.2003
: 10421
: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US

: , 20, 2012 5:53pm     :

Çàìå÷àòåëüíàÿ ïîäáîðêà êëèøå àìåðèêàíñêîãî îôèñíî-ïëàíêòîíñêîãî ìèðà: 89 Business Cliches That Will Get Any MBA Promoted And Make Them Totally Useless.

Ìîè "ëþáèìûå" (êîòîðûå ñëûøó ÷àùå âñåãî íà áåñïîëåçíûõ ñîâåùàíèÿõ):
- We need to wrap our heads around this
- Let's think outside the box here
- We’ve got to do a little more due diligence there
- This is low-hanging fruit
- We’re going through a re-org
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: , 25, 2016 10:16am     : Êëèøå â àíãëèéñêîì è ðàçãîâîðíèê

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