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MaxNero
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


: 19.04.2005
: 641
: Different city in USA :) -> Moscow, RU -> USA

: , 15, 2008 12:09pm     :

richy ():

óæàñû ðàññêàçûâàåòåØîêèðîâàí , ïîñàäÿò çà òî æå ÷òî è ëåãàëà --óáèéñòâî\èçíîñèëîâàíèå\îãðàáëåíèå ò.ä ò.ï. , åñëè íîðìàëüíî ñåáÿ âåäåòå äàæå íåëåãàë, íèêòî íà òåáÿ è íå ïîñìîòðèò, òåì áîëåå äîêóìåíòîâ íå ñïðîñèò, õîäè ãóëÿé, æèâè, ðàáîòàé(çà íàëèê åñòåññíî), íå íàðóøàé çàêîí.

Íàñ÷åò "äîêóìåíòû íå êòî íå ñïðîñèò", ÿ êàêîå-òî âðåìÿ ïðîæèâàë ó äàëüíåé ðîäíè â ìàëåíüêîì ãîðîäêå ïîä Áîñòîíîì. Äåëàòü áûëî àáñîëþòíî íå÷åãî è ÿ ïðîñòî çàâèñàë â íåòå. ×åðåç êàêîå-òî âðåìÿ, ìíå ñòàëî ñêó÷íî ñèäåòü äîìà è ÿ âûáðàëñÿ ñ íîóòáóêîì â ìàëåíüêèé ïàðê ïî ñîñåäñòâó. Òàê âîò ïîä âå÷åð ìåíÿ îñòàíîâèëè è ïðîâåðèëè äîêóìåíòû ñ ôîðìóëèðîâêîé "çàùèòà îò òåððîðèçìà" - ò.ê., îíè íèêîãî íåçíàêîìîãî â ñâîåì ãîðîäå äàâíî íå âèäåëè è òåì áîëåå, ÷òî áû ñ íîóòáóêîì íà ïðèðîäå...
Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷


: 01.03.2003
: 10421
: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US

: , 15, 2008 3:18pm     :

MaxNero ():
Òàê âîò ïîä âå÷åð ìåíÿ îñòàíîâèëè è ïðîâåðèëè äîêóìåíòû ñ ôîðìóëèðîâêîé "çàùèòà îò òåððîðèçìà" - ò.ê., îíè íèêîãî íåçíàêîìîãî â ñâîåì ãîðîäå äàâíî íå âèäåëè è òåì áîëåå, ÷òî áû ñ íîóòáóêîì íà ïðèðîäå...

Ó ìåíÿ áûëà ïîõîæàÿ ñèòóàöèÿ, êîãäà ÿ áûë â Ëîñ-Àíäæåëåñó ïåðâûé ðàç, â 2004 ãîäó. Ïóòåøåñòâîâàë ïî Àìåðèêå òîãäà, ïðèåõàë íà àâòîáóñå èç Âåãàñà ðàííèì óòðîì. Ãóëÿë ïî äàóíòàóíó, íà ïëå÷å âèñåëà ñóìêà, íà øåå âèäåîêàìåðà è ôîòîêàìåðà - ÿ ñíèìàë, êàê îáû÷íî, êàæäûé øàã ñâîåé ïðîãóëêè Óëûáêà Âäðóã èç îäíîãî íåáîñêðåáà âûøåë îõðàííèê, ïîèíòåðåñîâàëñÿ, çà÷åì ÿ ñíèìàþ íåáîñêðåáû. Îòâåòèë, ÷òî òóðèñò - èíòåðåñíî âåäü. ×åðåç åùå ìèíóòó ïîäîøëî óæå íåñêîëüêî àãåíòîâ Ñìèòîâ, ïîïðîñèëè äîêóìåíòèêè. ß äàë çàãðàíïàñïîðò - ïðîâåðèëè, ïîñìîòðåëè íà âèçó (äóìàþ íå ñ öåëüþ ïðîâåðèòü ìîé ñòàòóñ, à ïðîñòî ïîòîìó, ÷òî ñàì äàë çàãðàííèê) è ñêàçàëè, ÷òî â äàóíòàóíå ñíèìàòü çàïðåùåíî - áîÿòñÿ òåððîðèñòîâ, è ÷òîáû ÿ íå ñíèìàë áîëüøå. Ïðèøëîñü óáðàòü êàìåðû â ñóìêó è óåõàòü èç äàóíòàóíà.

Åùå â Àòëàíòèê-Ñèòè áûë ñëó÷àé òîæå - ÿ åõàë íà âåëîñèïåäå è ñíèìàë íà õîäó âèäåîêàìåðîé. Åõàë íà ðàáîòó, â êàçèíî, è çàåçæàë ñî ñëóæåáíîãî âõîäà. Êòî-òî èç ðàáîòíèêîâ óâèäåë, ÷òî ÿ åäó è ñíèìàþ âñå âîêðóã. È íå óñïåë ÿ çàéòè â êàçèíî ñ ÷åðíîãî âõîäà, êàê ìåíÿ îêðóæèëî ñðàçó íåñêîëüêî îõðàííèêîâ è ñïðîñèëè, çà÷åì ñíèìàþ. Ïðè÷åì, íàëåòåëè ñîâñåì íå ïîëèòêîððåêòíî. Êàêîé-òî íåãð òàì íà ïîâûøåííûõ òîíàõ îáúÿñíÿë ìíå ïðî 11 ñåíòÿáðÿ ÷òî-òî. Çàòåì ïðèøëîñü ïîêàçàòü èì, ÷òî âíóòðè êàçèíî ÿ íè÷åãî íå ñíèìàë (çàïðåùåíî), à ñíèìàë òîëüêî ñíàðóæè. Ïëþñ ïîêàçàë óäîñòîâåðåíèå êàçèíî - îòïóñòèëè.
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richy
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê


: 08.05.2008
: 77
: -->Izhevsk city-->

: , 15, 2008 4:59pm     :

Ìîæåò ÿ ñêàçàíóë "ïðî äîêóìåíòû íèêòî íå ñïðîñèò", ìíå ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå ýòî ðàññêàçûâàëè ëþäè æèâøèå òàì íå îäèí ãîä.

Òåì áîëåå ÷òî âàøå ïîäîçðèòåëüíîå ïîâåäåíèå ïðèøëîñü íà 9.11

Íó âîò ýòî óæå ÿâíàÿ ñòðàøèëêà;
White Owl ():
Íåëåãàëîâ ñàäÿò â òþðüìó, îíè òàì ñèäÿò, à êîãäà èììèãðàöèîííàÿ ñëóæáà ðåøèò ÷òî îíà ïîìàðèíîâàëà íåëåãàëà äîñòàòî÷íî - ñàäèò åãî íà ñàìîëåò è îòïðàâëÿåò â ñòðàíó ãðàæäàíñòâà.


Èëè êòî òî ðàñêàæåò êàê îí òàì ñèäåë â òþðüìå òîëüêî çà òî ÷òî îí íåëåãàë? òîãäà òþðåì âî âñåé Àìåðèêå íå õâàòèò.
MaxNero
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


: 19.04.2005
: 641
: Different city in USA :) -> Moscow, RU -> USA

: , 15, 2008 5:13pm     :

richy ():
Ìîæåò ÿ ñêàçàíóë "ïðî äîêóìåíòû íèêòî íå ñïðîñèò", ìíå ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå ýòî ðàññêàçûâàëè ëþäè æèâøèå òàì íå îäèí ãîä.

Òåì áîëåå ÷òî âàøå ïîäîçðèòåëüíîå ïîâåäåíèå ïðèøëîñü íà 9.11


Âîîáùå ÿ äóìàþ, ÷òî íå îòêðîþ òàéíó, íî ÑØÀ äî ñèõ ïîð æèâåò ïîä 9.11 (Àäðåÿ ÷åêàëè â 2004, ìåíÿ â 2005, ÷àñ íàçàä áåñåäîâàë ñ çíàêîìîé èç îïåðîâ (æèâåò ïîä Âàøèíãòîíîì) òàê ïðîøëîé âåñíîé ó íåå ïðîâåðÿëè äîêóìåíòû â êëóáå ïîä òåì æå ïðåäëîãîì(òèïà ïî íàâîäêå "â êëóáå ñîáèðàþòñÿ òåððîðèñòè÷åñêè ëîÿëüíàÿ ãðóïïà ñòóäåíòîâ")).
Äà è âîîáùå - ïîä ïðåäëîãîì "âîéíû ñ òåððîðèñòàìè", àìåðèêàíñêèå ñèëîâèêè ìîãóò ïðè æåëàíèè è äîêóìåíòû ñïðàøèâàòü è çàäåðæèâàòü. Äà ÷òî òàì ãîâîðèòü - âîîáùå ñòèðàòü èç æèçíè îáùåñòâà îòïðàâëÿÿ äëÿ äîïðîñîâ â áàçû íàïîäîáèå Ãóàíòàìî. Îíè ïðîñòîî íàøëè (à ÿ âñå æå ñêëîíÿþò ê ìíåíèþ, ÷òî ñäåëàëè) ñïîñîá äëÿ îãðàíè÷åíèÿ ñâîáîä ïîä ïðèêðûòèåì áëàãèõ íàìåðåíèé.


: MaxNero (, 15, 2008 5:18pm), 1
MaxNero
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


: 19.04.2005
: 641
: Different city in USA :) -> Moscow, RU -> USA

: , 15, 2008 5:17pm     :

richy ():


Èëè êòî òî ðàñêàæåò êàê îí òàì ñèäåë â òþðüìå òîëüêî çà òî ÷òî îí íåëåãàë? òîãäà òþðåì âî âñåé Àìåðèêå íå õâàòèò.


ïðîáëåìà â òîì, ÷òî íåëåãàëîì ñðåäè íàñ íåò Óëûáêà à òå êòî åñòü - ñëèøêîì óìíûå ÷òî áû ïîïàäàòüñÿ. Äà è âîîáùå, åñëè áû ÷åëîâåê ïîïàëñÿ, òî âîò îí òî÷íî áû íå ñòàë çàâèñàòü íà òàêîì ôîðóìå, ò.ê. ïîñëå ýòîãî, äîðîãà â ÑØÀ (äà è âî ìíîãèå äðóãèå ñòðàíû) äëÿ íåãî çàêðûòà.

È åùå, ÿ êàê-òî óæå ãîâîðè - ëþäè íå ëþáÿò âñïîìèíàòü ïëîõîå.
richy
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê


: 08.05.2008
: 77
: -->Izhevsk city-->

: , 15, 2008 6:13pm     :

MaxNero ():
ëþäè íå ëþáÿò âñïîìèíàòü ïëîõîå.


...ýò òòî÷íî ©
Helen_NJ
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


: 13.11.2003
: 1539
: NC, USA

: , 23, 2008 11:55pm     :

:
Section 1325. Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to
enter) the United States at a time or place other than as
designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil
penalty of -
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or
attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of
an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under
this subsection.

Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not
in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be
imposed.
(c) Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the
purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be
imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than
$250,000, or both.
(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise
for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws
shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance
with title 18, or both.


Èñòî÷íèê

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State and local law enforcement officials have the general power to investigate and arrest violators of federal immigration statutes without prior INS knowledge or approval, as long as they are authorized to do so by state law. [...] Immigration officers and local law enforcement officers may detain an individual for a brief warrantless interrogation where circumstances create a reasonable suspicion that the individual is illegally present in the U.S. Specific facts constituting a reasonable suspicion include evasive, nervous, or erratic behavior; dress or speech indicating foreign citizenship; and presence in an area known to contain a concentration of illegal aliens.

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