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Evgeniy Malyshev Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 12.03.2012 : 450 : Dm.-Pomryaskino/Ulyanovsk, Russia
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: , 12, 2012 5:22pm : Ïóòåøåñòâèÿ èç ÑØÀ |
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Âñåì ïðèâåò
Èíòåðåñíî óçíàòü êòî è êàê åçäèë èç ñòðàíû ñâîáîäû â Ìåêñèêó, Êóáó è åùå êóäà-òî..âî âðåìÿ ïðåáûâàíèÿ ïî ïðîãðàììå êóëüòóðíîãî îáìåíà
Êòî ÷òî ðàññêàæåò? _________________ If you`re going to San Francisco,
Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair
If you`re going to San Francisco,
You`re gonna meet some gentle people there |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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Áðàçèëèÿ êàê-òî íå ïîäõîäèò ñþäà. ß äî ïîñëåäíåãî ìîìåíòà òîæå äóìàë, ÷òî èç Øòàòîâ ýòî ñîâñåì íåäàëåêî (íà êàðòå âûãëÿäèò áëèçêî ), à èç Ëîñ-Àíäæåëåñà ëåòåòü äî Ðèî, íàïðèìåð, äîëüøå, ÷åì äî Ìîñêâû. Ïî ýòèì ñîîáðàæåíèÿì ÿ íåäàâíî îòêàçàëñÿ îò èäåè òóäà ëåòåòü è âûáðàë ñíà÷àëà ßìàéêó (íàäî âêëþ÷èòü â ñïèñîê âûøå), à çàòåì è Òàéëàíä.
 Ìåêñèêå ìû áûëè ñðàâíèòåëüíî íåäàâíî, î÷åíü ïîíðàâèëîñü:
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Ïîäîçðåâàþ, ÷òî W&T-ñòóäåíò áóäåò îòêðûâàòü ýòó ñòðàíó ñîâñåì äðóãèìè ãëàçàìè, òàê ÷òî íå óâåðåí, ïîðåêîìåíäîâàë áû èëè íåò.
Íà Êóáó ïîïàñòü èç ÑØÀ íàïðÿìóþ çàòðóäíèòåëüíî, òàê êàê íåò ïðÿìûõ ðåéñîâ. Ëó÷øå ÷åðåç Êàíàäó (åñëè ëåòåòü ñ ñåâåðî-âîñòî÷íîãî ïîáåðåæüÿ) èëè æå ÷åðåç þæíûå ñòðàíû. _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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Doxx US Patriot
: 14.06.2003 : 2082 : Ulyanovsk, Russia
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: , 13, 2012 1:29pm : |
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íè÷åãî òîëêîì íå çíàþ î ìåêñèêè, áðàçèëèè è êóáå.. ïîòîìó âûáðàë Êàíàäà)
õîòÿ åñëè áû ÿ êàê Ýíäðþ æèë â ãðàíè÷óùåì øòàòå ÿ áû êîíå÷íî îòïðàâèëñÿ ê ìåêñàì _________________ Ñäåëàé ñâîþ ìå÷òó öåëüþ. /Doxx/
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Hashish Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 06.03.2008 : 1231
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Doxx (): |
íè÷åãî òîëêîì íå çíàþ î ìåêñèêè, áðàçèëèè è êóáå.. ïîòîìó âûáðàë Êàíàäà)
õîòÿ åñëè áû ÿ êàê Ýíäðþ æèë â ãðàíè÷óùåì øòàòå ÿ áû êîíå÷íî îòïðàâèëñÿ ê ìåêñàì |
AUSTIN, Texas — A law enforcement agency in Texas has raised safety concerns and advised students on spring break to avoid Mexico.
The Department of Public Safety on Tuesday issued the advisory, citing continued violence throughout Mexico. |
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Evgeniy Malyshev Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 12.03.2012 : 450 : Dm.-Pomryaskino/Ulyanovsk, Russia
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Äîëãî â ÑØÀ? ýòî ÿ ê Doxx
×åðåç Ðîñïåðñîíàë åçäèë èëè åùå êàê? _________________ If you`re going to San Francisco,
Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair
If you`re going to San Francisco,
You`re gonna meet some gentle people there |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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: , 13, 2012 6:28pm : |
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Çà÷åì êóäà-òî åçäèòü íàõîäÿñü ïî ïðîãðàììå êóëüòóðíîãî îáìåíà?
À íàñ÷åò "êàê": åñëè ó òåáÿ åñòü âèçà â åùå êàêóþ-íèáóäü ñòðàíó òî ïîêóïàåøü áèëåò è åäåøü.
Íå èììèãðàöèîííàÿ âèçà â ÑØÀ - íå äàñò òåáå ïðàâ áåçâèçîâîãî âúåçäà â êàêóþ-ëèáî äðóãóþ ñòðàíó. Åñëè òåáå çàõî÷åòñÿ åùå êóäà-íèáóäü, òî íà îáùèõ îñíîâàíèÿõ. |
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Evgeniy Malyshev Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 12.03.2012 : 450 : Dm.-Pomryaskino/Ulyanovsk, Russia
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Ïîëíîñòüþ ñîãëàñåí! èíòåðåñóåò îïûò äðóãèõ, êòî ÷òî ìîæåò ïîäñêàçàòü è êàê..
Ïðåæäå ÷åì èäòè ê íåçíàêîìîìó äàíòèñòó óçíàåì ó äðóãèõ õîðîø îí èëè íåò.. _________________ If you`re going to San Francisco,
Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair
If you`re going to San Francisco,
You`re gonna meet some gentle people there |
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Hashish Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 06.03.2008 : 1231
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White Owl (): |
Íå èììèãðàöèîííàÿ âèçà â ÑØÀ - íå äàñò òåáå ïðàâ áåçâèçîâîãî âúåçäà â êàêóþ-ëèáî äðóãóþ ñòðàíó. |
 Ìåêñèêó - äàñò. |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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AUSTIN, Texas — A law enforcement agency in Texas has raised safety concerns and advised students on spring break to avoid Mexico.
The Department of Public Safety on Tuesday issued the advisory, citing continued violence throughout Mexico. |
Ñìîòðÿ êóäà â Ìåêñèêó åõàòü. Òàêæå, êàê è ñìîòðÿ êóäà â Àìåðèêå.  íåêîòîðûå ðàéîíû Ëîñ-Àíäæåëåñà, íàïðèìåð, ÿ áû íå îñîáî õîòåë åõàòü áåç íåîáõîäèìîñòè. Òàêæå è â Ìåêñèêå - áûëè â ìåñòàõ, ãäå íà ñàìîì äåëå æóòêî (èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî â ïðèãðàíè÷íîé çîíå), íî áûëè â òàêèõ ìåñòàõ, ãäå ÷óâñòâóåøü ñåáÿ êàê äîìà. _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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Doxx US Patriot
: 14.06.2003 : 2082 : Ulyanovsk, Russia
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: , 14, 2012 4:45pm : |
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2 Hashish: òåïåðü ÿ çíàþ íåìíîãî áîëüøå î ìåêñèêè
2 Evgeniy Malyshev: áûë â 2004 W&T ÷åðåç IEC, æèë â íîâîé àíãëèè _________________ Ñäåëàé ñâîþ ìå÷òó öåëüþ. /Doxx/
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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2 Hashish: òåïåðü ÿ çíàþ íåìíîãî áîëüøå î ìåêñèêè
2 Evgeniy Malyshev: áûë â 2004 W&T ÷åðåç IEC, æèë â íîâîé àíãëèè |
Doxx, à òû ðàçâå íå â Íüþ-Éîðêå áûë? |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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Ìíå îäèíàêîâî èíòåðåñíî è â Êàíàäå ïîáûâàòü è â Ìåêñèêå. Íî äâà ïóíêòà âûáèðàòü íåëüçÿ, ïîýòîìó îòìåòèë Ìåêñèêó.
À òàê, åñëè èç þæíûõ øòàòîâ, òî â Ìåêñèêó, à åñëè èç ñåâåðíûõ, òî â Êàíàäó.
Íà Êóáó åõàòü - ýòî íàäî èìåòü îïðåäåëåííûé íàñòðîé ïóòåøåñòâîâàòü ñ êðàéíå íèçêèì êîìôîðòîì ïî ñòðàíàì òðåòüåãî ìèðà. Êóáà - ýòî ýêçîòèêà, íî ïîëíåéøàÿ æåñòü! ß, ðàçóìååòñÿ, ãîâîðþ î ïîëíîöåííîì ïóòåøåñòâèè, à íå î æèòüå çà çàáîðîì â 5* îòåëå.
À Áðàçèëèÿ - íó ÷òî Áðàçèëèÿ... Ñòðàíà êàê ñòðàíà. Èõ ìíîãî. Ìîæíî ñ òåì æå èíòåðåñîì åõàòü â ×èëè. |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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Íà Êóáó åõàòü - ýòî íàäî èìåòü îïðåäåëåííûé íàñòðîé ïóòåøåñòâîâàòü ñ êðàéíå íèçêèì êîìôîðòîì ïî ñòðàíàì òðåòüåãî ìèðà. Êóáà - ýòî ýêçîòèêà, íî ïîëíåéøàÿ æåñòü! ß, ðàçóìååòñÿ, ãîâîðþ î ïîëíîöåííîì ïóòåøåñòâèè, à íå î æèòüå çà çàáîðîì â 5* îòåëå. |
Íàä Êóáîé ÿ òîëüêî ïðîëåòàë íà ñàìîëåòå, êîãäà ëåòåëè íà ßìàéêó, ïîýòîìó ñîáñòâåííîãî îïûòà ïîêà íåò. Íà ßìàéêå ìîæíî ïóòåøåñòâîâàòü âïîëíå ñåáå ñ êîìôîðòîì, ïðè÷åì ïîëíîöåííî, à íå ïî òóðèñòè÷åñêèì çîíàì. È ýòî ïðè òîì, ÷òî âîêðóã (ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå â Àìåðèêå) âñå ãîâîðÿò, ÷òî òàì î÷åíü îïàñíî. Îñíîâûâàÿñü íà ýòîì ôàêòå ïðåäïîëîæó, ÷òî íà Êóáå ïðèìåðíî òàêæå.
Òàêæå ñëûøàë, ÷òî êóáèíöû - ìèëåéøèå ëþäè, î÷åíü ãîñòåïðèèìíûå.  îñîáåííîñòè êîãäà ñëûøàò ðóññêóþ ðå÷ü. _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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Íà Êóáó åõàòü - ýòî íàäî èìåòü îïðåäåëåííûé íàñòðîé ïóòåøåñòâîâàòü ñ êðàéíå íèçêèì êîìôîðòîì ïî ñòðàíàì òðåòüåãî ìèðà. Êóáà - ýòî ýêçîòèêà, íî ïîëíåéøàÿ æåñòü! ß, ðàçóìååòñÿ, ãîâîðþ î ïîëíîöåííîì ïóòåøåñòâèè, à íå î æèòüå çà çàáîðîì â 5* îòåëå. |
Íàä Êóáîé ÿ òîëüêî ïðîëåòàë íà ñàìîëåòå, êîãäà ëåòåëè íà ßìàéêó, ïîýòîìó ñîáñòâåííîãî îïûòà ïîêà íåò. Íà ßìàéêå ìîæíî ïóòåøåñòâîâàòü âïîëíå ñåáå ñ êîìôîðòîì, ïðè÷åì ïîëíîöåííî, à íå ïî òóðèñòè÷åñêèì çîíàì. È ýòî ïðè òîì, ÷òî âîêðóã (ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå â Àìåðèêå) âñå ãîâîðÿò, ÷òî òàì î÷åíü îïàñíî. Îñíîâûâàÿñü íà ýòîì ôàêòå ïðåäïîëîæó, ÷òî íà Êóáå ïðèìåðíî òàêæå.
Òàêæå ñëûøàë, ÷òî êóáèíöû - ìèëåéøèå ëþäè, î÷åíü ãîñòåïðèèìíûå.  îñîáåííîñòè êîãäà ñëûøàò ðóññêóþ ðå÷ü. |
ß ïðî Êóáó ÷èòàë íåñêîëüêî èñòîðèé ïóòåøåñòâèé. Ñðåäè íèõ îäíà âîîáùå âûäåëÿëàñü - âîîáùå ïîòðÿñàþùå èíòåðåñíàÿ áûëà. Òàì ïàðåíü ïîåõàë íà Êóáó, âçÿë íàïðîêàò ñêóòåð è ïîåõàë íà íåì ïî âñåé Êóáå. Ïðè ýòîì àêòèâíî îáùàëñÿ ñ ìåñòíûì íàñåëåíèåì - åãî ïî êàêèì òîëüêî ìåñòàì íå âîäèëè, èñòîðèè âñÿêèå áûëè.
Êóáà îò ßìàéêè, Ìåêñèêè è âñåãî îñòàëüíîãî îòëè÷àåòñÿ òåì, ÷òî òàì áûë (è åñòü) "êîììóíèñòè÷åñêèé ëàãåðü". Îíè æóòêî èçîëèðîâàíû, òîëüêî íåäàâíî ñòàëè îòêðûâàòüñÿ ìèðó, ïîñëå ïàäåíèÿ ÑÑÑÐ.
Ïðè ýòîì òàì âïîëíå áåçîïàñíî, íî, åñëè îòäûõàòü íå â îòåëå äëÿ èíîñòðàííûõ òóðèñòîâ, à èìåííî ïóòåøåñòâîâàòü, òî òàì ïðîñòî íåò íèêàêîé èíôðàñòðóêòóðû. È êîìôîðòà, ñîîòâåòñòâåííî, òîæå. Ïðî êîíäèöèîíåðû, äóøè â äîñòàòî÷íîì êîëè÷åñòâå ìîæíî çàáûòü. È ïðî ñåðâèñ òîæå. Ñîòðóäíèê ïðîêàòà ñêóòåðîâ ìîæåò ñ òîáîé ïîëäíÿ ðàçãîâàðèâàòü, è âîîáùå çàêðûòü ïðîêàò è ïîéòè áóõàòü, åñëè ïîäðóæèòåñü. Íî ýòî ðàçäîëáàéñòâî êóáèíöåâ â ðàáîòå ïðîÿâëÿåòñÿ è òîãäà, êîãäà òû êëèåíò è õî÷åøü ñåðâèñà.
À ñàìè êóáèíöû - îíè, ñóäÿ ïî âñåìó, äà, î÷åíü äðóæåëþáíûå. Ðóññêèõ î÷åíü ëþáÿò.
Íà îôèöèàëüíóþ êóáèíñêóþ çàðïëàòó ìîæíî êóïèòü, íàïðèìåð, 4 áàòàðåéêè AA. Ïîýòîìó èíîñòðàíåö òàì äëÿ íèõ, ñ òåõ ïîð êàê êîìïàðòèÿ ýòî ðàçðåøèëà, ãëàâíûé èñòî÷íèê äåíåã. Íî ïðè ýòîì íà Êóáå äîôèãà (íàâåðíîå, 95%) ðåëàêñèðóþùèõ ëþäåé, êîòîðûå õîòü è íå ïðîòèâ çàðàáîòàòü, íî ñ áÎëüøåé îõîòîé ïðîñòî íàïüþòñÿ ñ òîáîé âäóïåëü â ìåñòíîì áàðå.
Åùå êàê ÿ ïîíÿë èç òîãî îïèñàíèÿ, íà Êóáå áåñïîðÿäî÷íûé ñåêñ ñ÷èòàåòñÿ ïî÷òè íîðìîé. È áîëüøèíñòâî êóáèíñêèõ äåâóøåê íå ïðî÷ü âûñêî÷èòü çàìóæ çà èíîñòðàíöà. Åñëè ó êîãî-òî èç ñåìüè ýòî óäàåòñÿ, òàêàÿ èììèãðàíòêà ïîòîì âñþ ñåìüþ ëåãêî îáåñïå÷èâàåò (ïî êóáèíñêèì ìåðêàì). Ïîýòîìó â ýòîì ïëàíå äëÿ äîíæóàíîâ òàì ïðîñòî ðàé.
Âîò êàê-òî òàê. Ýòî Êóáà.
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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ß, ðàçóìååòñÿ, ãîâîðþ î ïîëíîöåííîì ïóòåøåñòâèè, |
Ýòî î òàêîì â êàêîå òû â àâãóñòå ïîåäåøü, äà? |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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: , 15, 2012 4:28pm : |
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Àðòåì (): |
ß, ðàçóìååòñÿ, ãîâîðþ î ïîëíîöåííîì ïóòåøåñòâèè, |
Ýòî î òàêîì â êàêîå òû â àâãóñòå ïîåäåøü, äà? |
Íå çíàþ. Ìåíÿ ïîêà ïûòàþòñÿ óãîâîðèòü, íî ÿ ïîêà íå óãîâîðèëñÿ.
Ó ìåíÿ íà ýòîò ãîä áûëè ïëàíû ïëîòíî-ïëîòíî ìíîãî-ìíîãî ðàáîòàòü. Ïëàíîâ ðàçúåçæàòü íå áûëî. |
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Doxx US Patriot
: 14.06.2003 : 2082 : Ulyanovsk, Russia
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: , 15, 2012 6:38pm : |
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Doxx, à òû ðàçâå íå â Íüþ-Éîðêå áûë? |
ìåñÿö â Newport, RI, 2 ìåñÿöà Cape Cod, MA, è 3 äíÿ â NYC âñåãî ïîæèë, ïî ãîðîäó ãóëÿë _________________ Ñäåëàé ñâîþ ìå÷òó öåëüþ. /Doxx/
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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Doxx, à òû ðàçâå íå â Íüþ-Éîðêå áûë? |
ìåñÿö â Newport, RI, 2 ìåñÿöà Cape Cod, MA, è 3 äíÿ â NYC âñåãî ïîæèë, ïî ãîðîäó ãóëÿë |
À-à, ïîíÿòíî. Âîò ÷òî ñêëåðîç ñ ÷åëîâåêîì äåëàåò! |
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Evgeniy Malyshev Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 12.03.2012 : 450 : Dm.-Pomryaskino/Ulyanovsk, Russia
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Doxx, ó òåáÿ óæå åñòü Ãðèíêàðòà? _________________ If you`re going to San Francisco,
Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair
If you`re going to San Francisco,
You`re gonna meet some gentle people there |
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Doxx US Patriot
: 14.06.2003 : 2082 : Ulyanovsk, Russia
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Evgeniy Malyshev (): |
Doxx, ó òåáÿ óæå åñòü Ãðèíêàðòà? |
ôëóäèì êàê îáû÷íî
íåò ãðèíêàðòû _________________ Ñäåëàé ñâîþ ìå÷òó öåëüþ. /Doxx/
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