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Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷


: 01.03.2003
: 10421
: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US

: , 9, 2003 11:57am     : Ñòîèìîñòü îáó÷åíèÿ

Ìîæåò áûòü, êòî-íèáóäü èç ïîñåòèòåëåé ïîäñêàæåò, íàñêîëüêî ðåàëüíî ïîñòóïèòü â àìåðèêàíñêèé ÂÓÇ íà êîìïüþòåðíóþ ñïåöèàëüíîñòü ïîñëå ðîññèéñêîãî ÂÓÇà ýêîíîìè÷åñêîé/óïðàâëåí÷åñêîé ñïåöèàëüíîñòè?

Ñêîëüêî â ñðåäíåì íóæíî ïëàòèòü çà îáó÷åíèå íà êîìïüþòåðíîé ñïåöèàëüíîñòè?
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Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ
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: 08.03.2003
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: USA

: , 9, 2003 7:34pm     :

Àíäðåé, ñóùåñòâóþò 2 âèäà tuition â àìåð. âóç: ðåçèäåíòñêàÿ è íåðåçèäåíòñêàÿ. Ðåçèäåíò, ýòî òîò ñ÷àñòëèâ÷èê, êîòîðûé ïðîæèë â îäíîì è òîì æå øòàòå ãîä/ïîëãîäà (çàâèñèò îò øòàòà) è ìîæåò ýòî äîêàçàòü. ÍÎ, ê èíîñòðàíöàì, ïðèåõàâøèì ïî íåèììèãðàöèîííûì âèçàì (J-1, F-1 è ò.ä.) ýòî íå îòíîñèòñÿ. Îíè âñåãäà áóäóò ñ÷èòàòüñÿ íåðåçèäåíòàìè, íåçàâèñèìî, ñêîëüêî ëåò ïðîæèëè â øòàòàõ. Ðàçíèöà ìåæäó íåðåçèäåíòàìè è ðåçèäåíòàìè â òîì, ÷òî ïåðâûå ïëàòÿò çà îáó÷åíèå â 3 ðàçà áîëüøå. Ïðèâîæó ñòàòèñêèêó èç ìîåãî (î÷åíü äàæå ñðåäíåãî âóçà) çà 2001-2002 ãîä:

Resident (18 credits) $1,034 (ýòî çà ÷åòâåðòü, åùå åñòü óíèâåðñèòåòû ñ ñåìåñòðîâîé ñèñòåìîé)

Nonresident (18 credits) $3,452 (òîæå çà ÷åòâåðòü, ïîìíîæòå íà 3, ïîëó÷èòå ãîä)

18 credits - ýòî 18 ÷àñîâ â íåäåëþ ó÷åáíûõ, îíè çäåñü ýòî â êðåäèòàõ ñ÷èòàþò. Ýòî ñàìûé îïòèìàëüíûõ load, áîëüøå âçÿòü ìîæíî (äî 21), íî î÷åíü òðóäíî ó÷èòüñÿ. Íà ïåðâûé âçãëÿä êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî 18 credits ýòî ôèãíÿ, ìû â Ðîññèè ñ óòðà äî âå÷åðà ïðîïàäàëè â Óíèâåðñèòåòàõ è íè÷åãî, âûæèëè. Íî çäåñü äðóãàÿ ñèñòåìà. Íà êàæäûé ÷àñ, ïðîâåäåííûé â Óíèâåðñèòåòå ïðèõîäèòñÿ 2-3 ÷àñà äîìàøíåãî çàäàíèÿ. Òî åñòü, 18*2+18=54 ÷àñà â íåäåëþ íà çàíÿòèÿ óõîäèò êàê ìèíèìóì. Ê òîìó æå, ìîãóò áûòü îãðîìíûå ïåðåðûâû ìåæäó çàíÿòèÿìè 1-2-3 ÷àñà, ýòî êàê óæ âû íà çàíÿòèÿ çàïèøèòåñü. À åùå åñëè êòî-òî ðàáîòàòü õî÷åò... âîò è ñïÿò íåêîòîðûå ïî 5 ÷àñîâ.

Åùå, åñòü ðàñõîäû íà êíèãè, and according to the catalogue of my University it is $230 çà ÷åòâåðòü. Êíèãè î÷åíü äîðîãèå, ÿ èíîãäà âûêðó÷èâàþñü, ïîêóïàþ ïîäåðæàííûå ñ èíòåðíåòà, íî íå âñåãäà ïîëó÷àåòñÿ.

Çà ïðîæèâàíèå è åäó $1,592 çà ÷åòâåðòü. Ìîæíî, êîíå÷íî è íå æèòü íå òåððèòîðèè êàìïóñà, íî òîãäà çà åäó è ïðîæèâàíèå çà 3 ìåñÿöà âñå-ðàâíî ñòîëüêî æå âûéäåò, åñëè íå áîëüøå.

Èòîãî, çà ãîä, åñëè âû nonresitent è æèâåòå â îáùåæèòèè: $15,822 + ïëþñ ïåðñîíàëüíûå ðàñõîäû (íàïðèìåð, òðàíñïîðò).

Åñëè resident è æèâåòå â îáùåæèòèè: $8,568.

Ëåòíèè ìåñÿöû íå âêëþ÷åíû.

Åùå â îáÿçàòåëüíîì ïîðÿäêå çàñòàâëÿþò ïîêóïàòü ìåä. ñòðàõîâêó, íå çíàþ, ñêîëüêî îíà ñòîèò, è åñòü åùå ñàìûå ðàçíîîáðàçíûå fees, êîòîðûå ïðåäñòîèòü óïëàòèòü êàæäóþ ÷åòâåðòü.

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Ñêîëüêî â ñðåäíåì íóæíî ïëàòèòü çà îáó÷åíèå íà êîìïüþòåðíîé ñïåöèàëüíîñòè?
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Ýòî íå çàâèñèò îò ñïåöèàëüíîñòè. Çàâèñèò, îò òîãî, â êàêîé Óíèâåðñèòåò ïîïàäåòå.
Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷


: 01.03.2003
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: , 10, 2003 5:56am     :

2Guessst: Áîëüøîå ñïàñèáî çà ïîäðîáíûé îòâåò. À íàñêîëüêî ðåàëüíî íàéòè êàêîãî-íèáóäü ïëàòåëüùèêà? Ò.å. ðàçëè÷íûå ôîíäû, äðóãèå îðãàíèçàöèè è ò.ä.?

Êñòàòè, äàâíî ëè òû ó÷àñòâîâàëà ïî Camp America? Óëûáêà
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Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ
Guessst
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: 08.03.2003
: 220
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: , 10, 2003 6:10am     :

3 ãîäà íàçàä.

À ñïîíñîðà ìîæíî íàéòè, òîëüêî ÿ íå çíàþ êàê Øèðîêàÿ óëûáêà Ìîæíî scholaship ïîëó÷èòü, ýòî íóæíî âûáðàòü óíèâåðñèòåò (à ëó÷øå íåñêîëüêî) è çàïðîñèòü ó íèõ èíôî. Ñõîäèòå íà http://www.privet.com/forum/ è çàäàéòå òàì âîïðîñ ïî ïîâîäó ñïîíñîðñòâà è scholarship â ðàçäåëå ÎÁÐÀÇÎÂÀÍÈÅ. Òàì ìíîãî çíàþùèõ ëþäåé, ïîìîãóò, è äàæå ññûëêè äàäóò. À ìîæåò åùå ÷òî-òî ëó÷øå ïîñîâåòóþò. Îäíà ãîëîâà õîðîøî, à äâå, êàê ãîâîðèòüñÿ ...
Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷


: 01.03.2003
: 10421
: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US

: , 10, 2003 9:38am     :

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Ñõîäèòå

Ìíå àæ êàê-òî íåóäîáíî – ÿ îáíàãëåë, ñðàçó äàâàé íà «òû» Óëûáêà. Ìîæåò âñå-òàêè íà «òû» áóäåì? Razz

Ñïàñèáî çà ññûëî÷êó, ñ ýòèì ôîðóìîì ÿ óæå çíàêîì. Íî ïîêà ìíå íå î÷åíü íóæíî, ïðîñòî èíòåðåñíî.
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Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ
Pax
Íîâè÷îê


: 10.03.2003
: 24
: Novosibirsk

: , 10, 2003 7:34pm     :

Åñòü åùå õîðîøàÿ ññûëêà http://www.amvir.ru/studyinusa/
ß äóìàþ òû ïðî íå¸ òîæå çíàåøü Óëûáêà
À âîîáùå ÿ íåäàâíî õîäèë íà êîíñóëüòàöèè â àìåðèêàíñêèå ñîâåòû è òàì ÿ óçíàë, ÷òî â Àìåðèêå ìîæíî ïîñòóïèòü â ëþáîé óíèâåð íà ëþáóþ ñïåöèàëüíîñòü, âñå çàâèñèò îò êîíêóðñà, ðåç-òîâ òåñòîâ (TOEFL, GRE etc.) È âîîáùå ëó÷øå âñåãî ïîñòóïàòü ñðàçó íà áàêàëàâðà è âûøå, òîãäà òàêèå áåøåíûå áàáêè ïëàòèòü íå ïðèäåòñÿ Óëûáêà È êàê ìíå ñêàçàëà äåâóøêà èç àìåðèêàíñêèõ ñîâåòîâ ëó÷øå î ñåáå çàÿâèòü íåïîñðåäñòâåííî â Àìåðèêå, íàïðèìåð ýòèì ëåòîì Ïîäêàëûâàþ , òàê òâîè øàíñû çàìåòíî ïîâûñÿòñÿ.
È âîçâðàùàÿñü ê âîïðîñó î ñòîèìîñòè Óëûáêà ïî èäåå òû áóäåøü ðàáîòàòü â èíñòèòóòå â êà÷åñòâå ïðåïîäàâàòåëÿ èëè ëàáîðàíòà è ïëàòèòü òåáå è íå íàäî áóäåò ñîâñåì, ïîìèìî ýòîãî òåáå âîîáùå äîëæíû äàâàòü ñòèïåíäèþ Ïîäêàëûâàþ Ïðàâäà èñêëþ÷åíèåì ÿâëÿþòñÿ ýëèòíûå ñïåöèàëüíîñòè òèïà þðèñòîâ, ýêîíîìèñòîâ è ïð.
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: 08.03.2003
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: , 11, 2003 1:48am     :

È âîîáùå ëó÷øå âñåãî ïîñòóïàòü ñðàçó íà áàêàëàâðà è âûøå
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Íå ïîíÿëà, êàê ýòî "ñðàçó íà áàêàëàâðà"? Íèæå áàêàëàâðà òîëüêî high school.


Òîãäà òàêèå áåøåíûå áàáêè ïëàòèòü íå ïðèäåòñÿ
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Ïîïîäðîáíåå ðàñêàæèòå, ïëèç. Íå õî÷åòñÿ ïëàòèòü "áåøåííûå áàáêè"



È êàê ìíå ñêàçàëà äåâóøêà èç àìåðèêàíñêèõ ñîâåòîâ ëó÷øå î ñåáå çàÿâèòü íåïîñðåäñòâåííî â Àìåðèêå, íàïðèìåð ýòèì ëåòîì , òàê òâîè øàíñû çàìåòíî ïîâûñÿòñÿ.
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Ïîñòóïèòü â Óíèâåðñèòåò ìîæåò è ïîâûñÿòñÿ, íî ãëàâíîå æå âèçó ïîëó÷èòü. Former INS (îíè âî ÷òî-òî íîâîå ïåðåèìåíîâàëèñü ñåé÷àñ) íå î÷åíü ëþáÿò, êîãäà ñòàòóñ adjust â ÑØÀ.


È âîçâðàùàÿñü ê âîïðîñó î ñòîèìîñòè ïî èäåå òû áóäåøü ðàáîòàòü â èíñòèòóòå â êà÷åñòâå ïðåïîäàâàòåëÿ èëè ëàáîðàíòà è ïëàòèòü òåáå è íå íàäî áóäåò ñîâñåì, ïîìèìî ýòîãî òåáå âîîáùå äîëæíû äàâàòü ñòèïåíäèþ.
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Ýòî åñëè position åñòü. Ê òîìó æå, ïîäàâàÿ íà ñòóäåí÷åñêóþ âèçó âû äîëæíû óêàçàòü, ÷òî ó âàñ åñòü ñðåäñòâà äëÿ òîãî ÷òîáû ïðîæèâàòü è ó÷èòüñÿ â ÑØÀ. Òî åñòü äåíüãà äîëæíà áûòü äî íà÷àëà ó÷åáû, ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå hypothetically.
Oluna
Ïòèöà-Ãîâîðóí


: 07.03.2003
: 931
: Piter-Santa Clara, CA

: , 11, 2003 8:32pm     :

Ó ìåíÿ íà ñàéòå åñòü íåáîëüøàÿ çàðèñîâêà ïîä íàçâàíèåì "Êðàòêîå ðóêîâîäñòâî äëÿ ïîñòóïàþùèõ â àìåðèêàíñêèé êîëëåäæ" . Íî îíà íàïèñàíà äëÿ òåõ, êòî óæå â Øòàòàõ. Îäíàêî, áûòü ìîæåò, êòî-òî ñìîæåò íàéòè äëÿ ñåáÿ ÷òî-òî èíòåðåñíîå.
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In our country we have three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. - Mark Twain


: Oluna (, 27, 2004 12:15pm), 1
Pax
Íîâè÷îê


: 10.03.2003
: 24
: Novosibirsk

: , 12, 2003 6:48pm     :

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: , 2, 2003 5:39pm     : Community Colleges

Åùå îäèí ìåòîä ïðèîáùåíèÿ ê àìåðèêàíñêîìó îáðàçîâàíèþ - ýòî community colleges. Ýòî îòíîñèòåëüíî íåäîðîãèå ìóíèöèïàëüíûå êîëëåäæè. Îáû÷íî 2-õ ãîäè÷íûå. Ïîñëå îêîí÷àíèÿ ìîæíî ïîñòóïèòü íà 2 êóðñ ìíîãèõ óíèâåðñèòåòîâ.
Åãî ìîæíî èñïîëüçîâàòü êàê àëüòåðíàòèâó äëÿ foundation study ñ òåì ïðåèìóùåñòâîì ÷òî îäíîâðåìåííî ïîëó÷àåøü äèïëîì ïî êàêîé ëèáî ñïåöèàëüíîñòè è çàðàáàòûâàåøü êðåäèòû (çà÷åòû ïî ðÿäó ïðåäìåòîâ) ïðè ïðîäîëæåíèè îáó÷åíèÿ â àìåðèêàíñêèõ óíèâåðñèòåòàõ.

Îäèí èç òàêèõ êîëëåäæåé â Ñèýòëå ñòîèò USD14,500 â ãîä.
Ñþäà âõîäèò îáó÷åíèå, ïðîæèâàíèå, ïèòàíèå, ñòðàõîâêà è ò.ä.
Çà÷èñëÿþòñÿ â êîëëåäæ ñ 17 ëåò.







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Íå ïîíÿëà, êàê ýòî "ñðàçó íà áàêàëàâðà"? Íèæå áàêàëàâðà òîëüêî high school.


Íå âåðíî. Ñëåäóþùàÿ ñòåïåíü ïîñëå øêîëû ýòî âñÿêèå êîëëåäæè, äàþùèå ñåðòèôèêàò èëè associated degree. Äðóãîé âîïðîñ: çà÷åì îíè íóæíû? Ïî áîëüøîìó ñ÷åòó ýòî òîëüêî ïîòåðÿ âðåìåíè, ëó÷øå ñðàçó ïîñòóïàòü â óíèâåðñèòåò. È óðîâåíü âûøå, è ê òîìó æå ìíîãèå óíèâåðû íå ïðèíèìàþò credits îò êîëëåäæåé.
Debaser
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


: 28.03.2003
: 941
: Cleveland, OH

: , 7, 2003 2:36pm     :

Anonymous ():
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Íå ïîíÿëà, êàê ýòî "ñðàçó íà áàêàëàâðà"? Íèæå áàêàëàâðà òîëüêî high school.


Íå âåðíî. Ñëåäóþùàÿ ñòåïåíü ïîñëå øêîëû ýòî âñÿêèå êîëëåäæè, äàþùèå ñåðòèôèêàò èëè associated degree. Äðóãîé âîïðîñ: çà÷åì îíè íóæíû? Ïî áîëüøîìó ñ÷åòó ýòî òîëüêî ïîòåðÿ âðåìåíè, ëó÷øå ñðàçó ïîñòóïàòü â óíèâåðñèòåò. È óðîâåíü âûøå, è ê òîìó æå ìíîãèå óíèâåðû íå ïðèíèìàþò credits îò êîëëåäæåé.


Êàòåãîðè÷åñêè íå ñîãëàñåí, êîëëåäæè, î êîòîðûõ ïèøåò guest (íå Guesst!), ýòî â áîëåå èëè ìåíåå àäåêâàòíîì ïåðåâîäå íà ðóññêèé ÿçûê - ïðîñòûå ÏÒÓ. Íàçûâàòü òå ôèëüêèíû ãðàìîòû, êîòîðûå îíè âûäàþò degree, íó ïðîñòî îñêîðáëåíèå â ìîé àäðåñ - ÿ êàê ðàç degree ïîëó÷àþ Ñìåõ. Òàê ÷òî åäèíñòâåííàÿ ÑÒÅÏÅÍÜ êîòîðóþ ìîæíî ïîëó÷èòü ïîñëå high school - ýòî áàêàëàâð. Period.
Îáâèíåíèÿ â ñíîáèçìå íå ïðèíèìàþòñÿ. Ñìåõ
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Êëàññíî!
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Debaser. à òû êàêóþ degree ïîëó÷àåøü?
Debaser
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


: 28.03.2003
: 941
: Cleveland, OH

: , 7, 2003 3:05pm     :

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Debaser. à òû êàêóþ degree ïîëó÷àåøü?

PhD in physics
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Êëàññíî!
Oluna
Ïòèöà-Ãîâîðóí


: 07.03.2003
: 931
: Piter-Santa Clara, CA

: , 7, 2003 7:26pm     :

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Êàòåãîðè÷åñêè íå ñîãëàñåí, êîëëåäæè, î êîòîðûõ ïèøåò guest (íå Guesst!), ýòî â áîëåå èëè ìåíåå àäåêâàòíîì ïåðåâîäå íà ðóññêèé ÿçûê - ïðîñòûå ÏÒÓ. Íàçûâàòü òå ôèëüêèíû ãðàìîòû, êîòîðûå îíè âûäàþò degree


 ìîé àäðåñ, ïîæàëóéñòà, òîæå áåç ñíîáèçìà Razz , íî òû ïðî êîëëåäæè íå ïðàâ - ýòî íå ÏÒÓ, ïîòîìó ÷òî â Ðîññèè ïðîñòî íåò ñðàâíåíèÿ äëÿ êîëëåäæåé - è ýòî åñòü ñòóïåíü íà ïóòè ê áàêàëàâðó, åñëè èìåòü â âèäó ôîðìó òðàíñôåðà. ß íå ïðàâà? Òàê æå ìîæíî ñêàçàòü è ïðî ðîññèéñêèå äèïëîìû âóçîâ - âû äóðàêè, à ÿ êàíäèäàò íàóê! çâó÷èò òàê æå :idea:
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In our country we have three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. - Mark Twain
Debaser
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


: 28.03.2003
: 941
: Cleveland, OH

: , 7, 2003 7:59pm     :

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Êàòåãîðè÷åñêè íå ñîãëàñåí, êîëëåäæè, î êîòîðûõ ïèøåò guest (íå Guesst!), ýòî â áîëåå èëè ìåíåå àäåêâàòíîì ïåðåâîäå íà ðóññêèé ÿçûê - ïðîñòûå ÏÒÓ. Íàçûâàòü òå ôèëüêèíû ãðàìîòû, êîòîðûå îíè âûäàþò degree


 ìîé àäðåñ, ïîæàëóéñòà, òîæå áåç ñíîáèçìà Razz , íî òû ïðî êîëëåäæè íå ïðàâ - ýòî íå ÏÒÓ, ïîòîìó ÷òî â Ðîññèè ïðîñòî íåò ñðàâíåíèÿ äëÿ êîëëåäæåé - è ýòî åñòü ñòóïåíü íà ïóòè ê áàêàëàâðó, åñëè èìåòü â âèäó ôîðìó òðàíñôåðà. ß íå ïðàâà? Òàê æå ìîæíî ñêàçàòü è ïðî ðîññèéñêèå äèïëîìû âóçîâ - âû äóðàêè, à ÿ êàíäèäàò íàóê! çâó÷èò òàê æå :idea:


Sorry for English, I do not have russian keyboard on the computer right now.

First of all, I didn't call anybody fool, and I don't have a PhD yet. The only diploma I got so far is a diploma from russian university. IMHO, colleges do not usually serve as a step toward a bachelor degree. You can get an associate degree or smth like that in college, and get a job such as a secretary, an assistant manager or an accountant. The point of a college is to get cheap and fast education and then get a cheap job. However, there is a possibiity to transfer credits from college to the University, again, not all universities may agree on accepting such a transfer of credits.

Secondly, "Tehnikumy" and "Uchilisha" in Russia are SIMILAR to colleges here. Same idea, after cheap and fast education you get low paid job as a technician, an acountant, and so on. There always was and is a possibility to go to University after "Tehnikum" graduation. Moreover, after 2 years in "Meduchilishe" you can get right into the second year of "Med Institut" in Russia. So even the same system of credit transfer works in Russia. I strongly disagree with your statement that there is no educational institution in Russia similar to college in the United States

Point is, USUALLY people from high school who want to get a good education to get a well paid job go directly to Universities. However, there are some exceptions... And yes, you get what you paid for. The quality of education in most of the colleges is very far from acceptable.
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: Debaser (, 7, 2003 8:57pm), 1
Oluna
Ïòèöà-Ãîâîðóí


: 07.03.2003
: 931
: Piter-Santa Clara, CA

: , 7, 2003 8:25pm     :

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The quality of educations in most of the colleges is very far from acceptable.


Ñïàñèáî çà ëåêöèþ, íî ÿ âñå ýòî çíàþ íà ñâîåé øêóðå. È ÿ íå â îáèäó - ïðîñòî çäåñü âåäü ñîâñåì íå îáÿçàòåëüíî çàêàí÷èâàòü êîëëåäæ, ÷òîáû ïîñòóïèòü â óíèâåðñèòåò (êàê â Ðîññèè) - òû áåðåøü êàêèå-òî íà÷àëüíûå êóðñû ïî ñïåöèàëèçàöèè - basic , à â óíèâåðñèòåòå èäåøü íà ïðîäâèíóòûå. È íå ñòîèò ãîâîðèòü î òîì, êàêèå óíèâåðñèòåòû ïðèíèìàþò èëè íå ïðèíèìàþò êóðñû êîëëåäæåé. Ñóùåñòâóþò ñïåöèàëüíûå äîãîâîðû ìåæäó óíèâåðñèòåòàìè, è ïðåæäå ÷åì íà÷èíàòü ó÷åáó, òû ïîëó÷àåøü êîíñóëüòàöèþ è â êîëëåäæå, è â ñàìîì óíèâåðñèòåòå, è òàì ðàçðàáàòûâàåøü ïëàí îáó÷åíèÿ - ÷àùå âñåãî ýòî ëèøü ÷åòûðå-ïÿòü íà÷àëüíûõ êóðñîâ ïî áóäóùåé ñïåöèàëüíîñòè è êóðñû ïî îáùåìó îáðàçîâàíèþ - êàê èñòîðèÿ è âñå òàêîå. È óíèâåðñèòåòû íàîáîðîò ñîâåòóþò íà÷àëüíûå êóðñû áðàòü â êîëëåäæå (è íå òîëüêî ïîòîìó ÷òî ýòî äåøåâëå), à ïðîñòî îíè íå õîòÿò ó÷èòü ÷åëîâåêà ñ íóëÿ - ïóñòü âîçüìåò õîòü äåñÿòü ðàçíûõ êóðñîâ â êîëëåäæå, à â óíèâåð ïðèäåò óæå ñî çíàíèÿìè - è îíè ñäåëàþò èç íåãî ïðîôåññèîíàëà. Áûòü ìîæåò ýòî íå ïî âñåì ñïåöèàëüíîñòÿì, íî ïî àðòó òî÷íî.
À ÷òî êàñàåòñÿ çà äåøåâî ïîëó÷èòü îáðàçîâàíèå, ÷òîáû íàéòè äåøåâóþ ðàáîòó, òàê íå îá ýòîì øåë ðàçãîâîð. Àâòîð òîãî îáðàùåíèÿ ãîâîðèë, êàê íà÷àòü îáó÷åíèå â Àìåðèêå - è â ÷åì-òî îí ïðàâ, à ïîëó÷èëîñü, ÷òî ìû ïåðåâåðíóëè åãî ñëîâà - è ñòàëè ïîó÷àòü äðóã äðóãà. Íî ìû ñ òîáîé çíàåì, î ÷åì èäåò ðå÷ü. À åñëè êòî-òî ïîñòîðîííèé áóäåò ÷èòàòü íàøó ïåðåïàëêó, òî ÿâíî íå òàê èñòîëêóåò íàøè ñëîâà. Ìíå ïðîñòî õîòåëîñü âíåñòè ÿñíîñòü â ðàçãîâîð.

Óäà÷è ñ çàùèòîé!
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In our country we have three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. - Mark Twain
Debaser
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


: 28.03.2003
: 941
: Cleveland, OH

: , 7, 2003 10:41pm     :

Oluna ():
Debaser ():

The quality of education in most of the colleges is very far from acceptable.


Ñïàñèáî çà ëåêöèþ


Ñîððè åñëè ïðîçâó÷àëî ñëèøêîì íðàâîó÷èòåëüíî - ýòî ÿ íå ñïåöèàëüíî, íàâåðíî óæå ïðîñòî ïðèâû÷êà îò ïðåïîäàâàíèÿ àíäåãðàäàì ìåñòíûì
Oluna ():

ïðîñòî çäåñü âåäü ñîâñåì íå îáÿçàòåëüíî çàêàí÷èâàòü êîëëåäæ...


Íó äàê è ÿ âðîäå ïðî òî æå, ëþäè â óíèâåð â îñíîâíîì èç High School ïîñòóïàþò, êàê è â Ðîññèè. Õîòèòå ïðèìåðû? "Èõ åñòü ó ìåíÿ" Ñìåõ
Âîò ñòàòèñòèêà ïî Rice University - ïåðâîå ÷òî â google íàøëîñü, óâåðåí, ÷òî â îñòàëüíûõ 1st tier universities ñèòóàöèÿ àíàëîãè÷íàÿ
http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~instresr/ricestatistics/Pages/select02.html. Âñåãî ïðèíÿòî undergraduates îñåíüþ 2002 ãîäà 1682, èç íèõ transfer students 74... Äåëàåì âûâîäû... Îïÿòü æå åñòü óíèâåðñèòåòû òèïà Indiana State ó íàñ â øòàòå, ãäå ñîâìåñòíûå ïðîãðàììû ñ êîëëåäæàìè, âîò òîëüêî íà êàêîì ìåñòå â ðåéòèíãå ýòîò óíèâåðñèòåò?.. Êàê ãîâîðèòñÿ, ÷óð ìåíÿ

Oluna ():

È íå ñòîèò ãîâîðèòü î òîì, êàêèå óíèâåðñèòåòû ïðèíèìàþò èëè íå ïðèíèìàþò êóðñû êîëëåäæåé.


À ïî÷åìó íå ñòîèò òî? Øîêèðîâàí

Oluna ():

À ÷òî êàñàåòñÿ çà äåøåâî ïîëó÷èòü îáðàçîâàíèå, ÷òîáû íàéòè äåøåâóþ ðàáîòó, òàê íå îá ýòîì øåë ðàçãîâîð. Àâòîð òîãî îáðàùåíèÿ ãîâîðèë, êàê íà÷àòü îáó÷åíèå â Àìåðèêå

Ó àâòîðà ñîîáùåíèÿ, íàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîíÿë, áûë âîïðîñ êàê ìîæíî ó÷èòüñÿ ÏÎÑËÅ ïîëó÷åíèÿ âûñøåãî îáðàçîâàíèÿ â Ðîññèè. Ó÷èòüñÿ åìó â êîëëåäæå, IMHO, ýòî ïðîñòî ïðåñòóïíàÿ ïîòåðÿ âðåìåíè è äåíåã.
Oluna ():

Ìíå ïðîñòî õîòåëîñü âíåñòè ÿñíîñòü â ðàçãîâîð.

Ìíå òîæå Óëûáêà
Oluna ():
Óäà÷è ñ çàùèòîé!

Thanks Óëûáêà
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Êëàññíî!
Oluna
Ïòèöà-Ãîâîðóí


: 07.03.2003
: 931
: Piter-Santa Clara, CA

: , 7, 2003 10:52pm     :

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Ó àâòîðà ñîîáùåíèÿ, íàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîíÿë, áûë âîïðîñ êàê ìîæíî ó÷èòüñÿ ÏÎÑËÅ ïîëó÷åíèÿ âûñøåãî îáðàçîâàíèÿ â Ðîññèè. Ó÷èòüñÿ åìó â êîëëåäæå, IMHO, ýòî ïðîñòî ïðåñòóïíàÿ ïîòåðÿ âðåìåíè è äåíåã.


Íó åñëè îí èäåò ïî ñâîåé æå ñïåöèàëèçàöèè, òî îíî êîíå÷íî. À âäðóã îí âûáðàë ñîâåðøåííî íîâóþ äëÿ ñåáÿ ñòåçþ... Ïîíÿòíîå äåëî, ÷òî åìó óíèâåð çà÷òåò Ðîññèéñêèå îáùåîáðàçîâàòåëüíûå êóðñû áåç âîïðîñà, íî âîò ñïåöèàëèçàöèÿ... Îí, íàâåðíîå, ïðîñòî basic, êàê ÿ è ãîâîðèëà, áåðåò.
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In our country we have three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. - Mark Twain
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red attention


: 08.03.2003
: 220
: USA

: , 8, 2003 1:42am     :

Debaser ():
Guessst ():
Debaser. à òû êàêóþ degree ïîëó÷àåøü?

PhD in physics


Ýòî ñèëüíî... Ðàññêàæè, åñëè âðåìÿ åñòü, ïî-ïîäðîáíåé: ÷òî è êàê, ñêîëüêî (â ñìûñëå âðåìåíè).
ß íå èìåþ íè ìàëåéøåãî ïðåäñòàâëåíèÿ î òîì, êàê ó÷àòñÿ íà PhD. Ó òåáÿ (ÿ íà òû, ëàäíî?) çàíÿòèÿ åñòü, â ñìûñëå â ãðóïïå è ò.ä. èëè òîëüêî ñ ïðîôåññîðîì îäèí íà îäèí îáùàåøüñÿ? PhD âåäü ýòî íå òîëüêî äèññåðòàöèÿ?
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