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anuta Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 02.11.2005 : 237 : Irkutsk-Daytona Beach-Philadelphia
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: , 15, 2005 11:25pm : ñòóäåí÷åñêèå îïóñû |
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À âîò ÷òî ìíå ñåãîäíÿ ñòóäåíò íàïèñàë. (çàäàíèå áûëî íàïèñàòü research paper on World War I). "They (German soldiers) had to survive bombings by ranning around and trying to find a safe place to hide from enemy. They had to jump through trenches without getting hurt and they had to deal with French by throwing grenades and firing at them. Most of the soldiers just wanted to get back to a safe place just to get some corned beef and butter".....  |
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Slava ÍËÎ

: 10.03.2003 : 4182 : at this moment Stamford CT
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À âîò ÷òî ìíå ñåãîäíÿ ñòóäåíò íàïèñàë. (çàäàíèå áûëî íàïèñàòü research paper on World War I). "They (German soldiers) had to survive bombings by ranning around and trying to find a safe place to hide from enemy. They had to jump through trenches without getting hurt and they had to deal with French by throwing grenades and firing at them. Most of the soldiers just wanted to get back to a safe place just to get some corned beef and butter".....  |
Ìäà.... ñèëüíî  _________________ Good judgment comes from expirience.
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FFresh Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 13.11.2004 : 470 : Moscow
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: , 16, 2005 10:59pm : Re: ñòóäåí÷åñêèå îïóñû |
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À âîò ÷òî ìíå ñåãîäíÿ ñòóäåíò íàïèñàë. (çàäàíèå áûëî íàïèñàòü research paper on World War I). "They (German soldiers) had to survive bombings by ranning around and trying to find a safe place to hide from enemy. They had to jump through trenches without getting hurt and they had to deal with French by throwing grenades and firing at them. Most of the soldiers just wanted to get back to a safe place just to get some corned beef and butter".....  |
×òî-÷òî. À ó íèõ íà óìó òîëüêî åäà  _________________ You never know what the future will bring you. |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà

: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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: , 17, 2005 3:18pm : Re: ñòóäåí÷åñêèå îïóñû |
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À âîò ÷òî ìíå ñåãîäíÿ ñòóäåíò íàïèñàë. (çàäàíèå áûëî íàïèñàòü research paper on World War I). "They (German soldiers) had to survive bombings by ranning around and trying to find a safe place to hide from enemy. They had to jump through trenches without getting hurt and they had to deal with French by throwing grenades and firing at them. Most of the soldiers just wanted to get back to a safe place just to get some corned beef and butter".....  |
Ãîëîäíûé ñòóäåíò - ñòðàøíûé çâåðü  |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷

: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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FFresh Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 13.11.2004 : 470 : Moscow
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À âîò ÷òî ìíå ñåãîäíÿ ñòóäåíò íàïèñàë. (çàäàíèå áûëî íàïèñàòü research paper on World War I). "They (German soldiers) had to survive bombings by ranning around and trying to find a safe place to hide from enemy. They had to jump through trenches without getting hurt and they had to deal with French by throwing grenades and firing at them. Most of the soldiers just wanted to get back to a safe place just to get some corned beef and butter".....  |
Ãîëîäíûé ñòóäåíò - ñòðàøíûé çâåðü  |
Äà ñëîíà çà ðàç ãîòîâ ñúåñòü, êàê ïîìîòàåøüñÿ, äà ïîñèäèøü íà íóäíûõ ëåêöèÿõ  _________________ You never know what the future will bring you. |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷

: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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ß òàê ðàä, ÷òî áîëüøå íå ñòóäåíò è íå íóæíî ïîñåùàòü ìíîãèå íóäíûå ëåêöèè è ïîñëå ýòîãî èäòè ñäàâàòü áåññìûñëåííûå ýêçàìåíû... Ìíîãèå ñåé÷àñ íà÷èíàþò àêòèâèçèðîâàòüñÿ ïåðåä ñåññèåé è òàê êëàññíî, ÷òî ìîæíî çàíèìàòüñÿ ëþáèìûì äåëîì âìåñòî ýòîãî
Ëèáî ÿ íå òàì ó÷èëñÿ (òàì íå ó÷èëñÿ ), ëèáî ìíå ó÷èòüñÿ â èíñòèòóòå ñ ýòîé ñîâêîâîé ñèñòåìîé íå íðàâèòñÿ. _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ  |
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anuta Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 02.11.2005 : 237 : Irkutsk-Daytona Beach-Philadelphia
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À âîò ÷òî ìíå ñåãîäíÿ ñòóäåíò íàïèñàë. (çàäàíèå áûëî íàïèñàòü research paper on World War I). "They (German soldiers) had to survive bombings by ranning around and trying to find a safe place to hide from enemy. They had to jump through trenches without getting hurt and they had to deal with French by throwing grenades and firing at them. Most of the soldiers just wanted to get back to a safe place just to get some corned beef and butter".....  |
Ãîëîäíûé ñòóäåíò - ñòðàøíûé çâåðü  |
Íó, ñòóäåíòû çäåñü íå î÷åíü-òî ãîëîäàþò, êàê íè ïîñìîòðèøü, îíè ïîñòîÿííî ÷åãî-òî æóþò. Íó è êîíå÷íî, êàôåòåðèé ó íàñ íåïëîõîé, ìîæíî äåøåâî è äîâîëüíî íåïëîõî ïîåñòü. Âîò ÿ ïîìíþ ó íàñ â ÈÃÓ â ñåðåäèíå 90-õ ãã. ñòîëîâêà áûëà - æóòü, îäíî âðåìÿ òàì íàì ïîçû ïðîäàâàëè, ïðè÷åì ñêîëüêî ÿ íå ñòàðàëàñü, ìÿñà â íèõ òàê è íå íàøëà.  |
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anuta Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 02.11.2005 : 237 : Irkutsk-Daytona Beach-Philadelphia
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ß òàê ðàä, ÷òî áîëüøå íå ñòóäåíò è íå íóæíî ïîñåùàòü ìíîãèå íóäíûå ëåêöèè è ïîñëå ýòîãî èäòè ñäàâàòü áåññìûñëåííûå ýêçàìåíû... Ìíîãèå ñåé÷àñ íà÷èíàþò àêòèâèçèðîâàòüñÿ ïåðåä ñåññèåé è òàê êëàññíî, ÷òî ìîæíî çàíèìàòüñÿ ëþáèìûì äåëîì âìåñòî ýòîãî
Ëèáî ÿ íå òàì ó÷èëñÿ (òàì íå ó÷èëñÿ ), ëèáî ìíå ó÷èòüñÿ â èíñòèòóòå ñ ýòîé ñîâêîâîé ñèñòåìîé íå íðàâèòñÿ. |
×åðò âîçüìè, à ìíå æóòêî íðàâèëîñü ó÷èòüñÿ, îñîáåííî ðàáîòàòü íà ñåìèíàðñêèõ çàíÿòèÿõ, òàì ñ äîêëàäàìè âûñòóïàòü è ïðî÷åå òàêîå. ß áû òàê âñþ æèçíü è ó÷èëàñü, äà íàäî æå êîãäà-òî íà÷èíàòü ðàáîòàòü... Ñåé÷àñ âîò âðîäå è ðàáîòàþ, à âñå ðàâíî èíîãäà ÷óâñòâóþ ñåáÿ ñòóäåíòîì. Ïëþñ êî âñåìó, è âèä ó ìåíÿ êàêîé-òî íåïðîôåññîðñêèé, ìåíÿ âåçäå òóò çà ñòóäåíòà ïðèíèìàþò. Â÷åðà âîò ñîáèðàëàñü âîñïîëüçîâàòüñÿ ñêàí-òðîíîì (òåñòû ïðîâåðèòü íà ìàøèíå), à íà ìåíÿ íàêðè÷àëè, "÷åãî ýòî, ìîë âàø ïðîôåññîð ñòóäåíòîâ îòïðàâëÿåò, ïóñòü ñàì ïðèõîäèò è ïðîâåðÿåò ðàáîòû". Ïðèøëîñü ëåçòü â ñóìêó çà óäîñòîâåðåíèåì è äîêàçûâàòü. ÷òî ÿ "new faculty member".  |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷

: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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Âîò ÿ ïîìíþ ó íàñ â ÈÃÓ â ñåðåäèíå 90-õ ãã. ñòîëîâêà áûëà - æóòü, îäíî âðåìÿ òàì íàì ïîçû ïðîäàâàëè, ïðè÷åì ñêîëüêî ÿ íå ñòàðàëàñü, ìÿñà â íèõ òàê è íå íàøëà.  |
À â êàêîì èìåííî ÈÃÓ? Â ñìûñëå, ôàêóëüòåò êàêîé? Âðîäå òû ïèñàëà, íî ÷òî-òî çàáûë
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| ×åðò âîçüìè, à ìíå æóòêî íðàâèëîñü ó÷èòüñÿ, îñîáåííî ðàáîòàòü íà ñåìèíàðñêèõ çàíÿòèÿõ, òàì ñ äîêëàäàìè âûñòóïàòü è ïðî÷åå òàêîå. |
Ìíå íðàâèëîñü ëèøü ïî íåêîòîðûì ïðåäìåòàì, ïðåïîäàâàòåëè êîòîðûõ âåëè àêòóàëüíûå òåìû, à íå âñÿêóþ êðàñèâî íàïèñàííóþ åðóíäó èç òåîðèè òðåáîâàëè.
Òåìà ìîåãî äèïëîìà áûëà "Ñðàâíèòåëüíûé àíàëèç ðîññèéñêîé è àìåðèêàíñêîé ìîäåëåé ìåíåäæìåíòà". Ïîñëå äîêàëàäà îäíà æåíùèíà èç ÷ëåíîâ êîìèññèè, ëåò 55-60 íà âèä, çàäàëà âîïðîñ: "À ïî êàêèì øêîëàì ìåíåäæìåíòà Âû âåëè ñðàâíåíèå?"... Íà ÷òî ÿ îòâåòèë, ÷òî òåîðèÿ, êîíå÷íî, êðàñèâàÿ øòóêà, íî äàâàéòå ãîâîðèòü î ñóùåñòâóþùèõ íà ñåãîäíÿøíèé äåíü âåùàõ, à íå î òîì, ÷òî â êíèãàõ. Îòâåò ýòîò ïðèâåë åå ïðîñòî â ÿðîñòü È íå òîëüêî åå. Îäíà èç ïðè÷èí, ïî÷åìó ÿ ïîëó÷èë ÷åòâåðêó...
À íà îäíîì èç ïðåäìåòîâ íàì îáúÿñíÿëè ðàçëè÷íûå ñõåìû, êàê ìîæíî ñîêðàòèòü íàëîãîîáëàæåíèå, à íå åðóíäó, òèïà ÷òî òàêîå äîõîä è ÷åì îí îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò ïðèáûëè. Âîò ýòî íà ñàìîì äåëå èíòåðåñíî áûëî! Æàëü, ÷òî òàêèõ ïðåïîäîâ - ïî ïàëüöàì ïåðåñ÷èòàòü... Ãîâîðþ òîëüêî ïðî ñâîé èíñòèòóò. Î÷åíü ðàä, åñëè â äðóãèõ ëó÷øå. _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ  |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà

: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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À âîò ÷òî ìíå ñåãîäíÿ ñòóäåíò íàïèñàë. (çàäàíèå áûëî íàïèñàòü research paper on World War I). "They (German soldiers) had to survive bombings by ranning around and trying to find a safe place to hide from enemy. They had to jump through trenches without getting hurt and they had to deal with French by throwing grenades and firing at them. Most of the soldiers just wanted to get back to a safe place just to get some corned beef and butter".....  |
âîîáùå ìíå ýòîò îòðûâîê íàïîìèíàåò êàêóþ-òî âèäåî-èãðó ïðûãàþò òàêèå ñîëäàòèêè, êèäàþòñÿ... âñå âçðûâàåòñÿ, êðàñî÷íî, ìóçû÷êà èãðàåò
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Íó, ñòóäåíòû çäåñü íå î÷åíü-òî ãîëîäàþò, êàê íè ïîñìîòðèøü, îíè ïîñòîÿííî ÷åãî-òî æóþò. Íó è êîíå÷íî, êàôåòåðèé ó íàñ íåïëîõîé, ìîæíî äåøåâî è äîâîëüíî íåïëîõî ïîåñòü. Âîò ÿ ïîìíþ ó íàñ â ÈÃÓ â ñåðåäèíå 90-õ ãã. ñòîëîâêà áûëà - æóòü, îäíî âðåìÿ òàì íàì ïîçû ïðîäàâàëè, ïðè÷åì ñêîëüêî ÿ íå ñòàðàëàñü, ìÿñà â íèõ òàê è íå íàøëà.  |
 íà÷àëå 90-õ, â ìîåì ðîäíîì ïåäå, ñòîëîâêà òîæå áûëà íå î÷åíü. À âîò â êîíöå 90-õ, êîíòîðà â êîòîðîé ÿ òîãäà ðàáîòàë, àðåíäîâàëà ïîìåùåíèÿ â òåõíèêóìå. Âîò òàì ñòîëîâàÿ áûëà....ìììì.... Î÷åíü äàæå ïðèëè÷íîé Íå ðåñòîðàí êîíå÷íî, íî è ñ æåëóäêîì ïðîáëåì íå áûëî, íå ñðàâíèòü ñî ñòóäåí÷åñêèìè ãîäàìè  |
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Debaser Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 28.03.2003 : 941 : Cleveland, OH
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Íà ÷òî ÿ îòâåòèë, ÷òî òåîðèÿ, êîíå÷íî, êðàñèâàÿ øòóêà, íî äàâàéòå ãîâîðèòü î ñóùåñòâóþùèõ íà ñåãîäíÿøíèé äåíü âåùàõ, à íå î òîì, ÷òî â êíèãàõ. Îòâåò ýòîò ïðèâåë åå ïðîñòî â ÿðîñòü È íå òîëüêî åå. Îäíà èç ïðè÷èí, ïî÷åìó ÿ ïîëó÷èë ÷åòâåðêó...
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Íó áëèí òû äàåøü... Åñëè áû òû ìíå íà åêçàìåíå ïî ôèçèêå òàêîå îòâåòèë - ïîëó÷èë áû ïàðó áåç ðàçãîâîðîâ è áûë áû âûãíàí íà xðåí ñ ãëàç äîëîé. Åòî òàëàíò íàäî èìåòü - îäíèì ïðåäëîæåíèåì îïóñòèòü ñðàçó âñþ íàóêó ïåðåä ëþäüìè, êîòîðûå åé çàíèìàþòñÿ. _________________
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷

: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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| Íó áëèí òû äàåøü... Åñëè áû òû ìíå íà åêçàìåíå ïî ôèçèêå òàêîå îòâåòèë - ïîëó÷èë áû ïàðó áåç ðàçãîâîðîâ è áûë áû âûãíàí íà xðåí ñ ãëàç äîëîé. Åòî òàëàíò íàäî èìåòü - îäíèì ïðåäëîæåíèåì îïóñòèòü ñðàçó âñþ íàóêó ïåðåä ëþäüìè, êîòîðûå åé çàíèìàþòñÿ. |
Ïëåâàòü. Ïîêàæè ìíå õîòü îäíîãî ìåíåäæåðà, êîòîðûé, íàíèìàÿ ñåáå ñîòðóäíèêà, áóäåò îáùàòüñÿ íà òåìó êëàññè÷åñêèõ øêîë ìåíåäæìåíòà.
Ïðàêòè÷åñêè ÂÑß òåîðèÿ, êîòîðóþ íàì äîëáèëè â óíèâåðñèòåòå – ñîâåðøåííî íå ïðèãîæäàåòñÿ â ðàáîòå. Ëó÷øå áû ïðàêòèêè áîëüøå äàâàëè. Âïðî÷åì, ýòî îñîáåííîñòü ìîåãî óíèâåðà. Îáùàþñü ñ ëþäüìè èç äðóãîãî – âîò òàì äåéñòâèòåëüíî ó÷åáà, à íå ÷òåíèå ëåêöèé... _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ  |
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Debaser Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 28.03.2003 : 941 : Cleveland, OH
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| Íó áëèí òû äàåøü... Åñëè áû òû ìíå íà åêçàìåíå ïî ôèçèêå òàêîå îòâåòèë - ïîëó÷èë áû ïàðó áåç ðàçãîâîðîâ è áûë áû âûãíàí íà xðåí ñ ãëàç äîëîé. Åòî òàëàíò íàäî èìåòü - îäíèì ïðåäëîæåíèåì îïóñòèòü ñðàçó âñþ íàóêó ïåðåä ëþäüìè, êîòîðûå åé çàíèìàþòñÿ. |
Ïëåâàòü. Ïîêàæè ìíå õîòü îäíîãî ìåíåäæåðà, êîòîðûé, íàíèìàÿ ñåáå ñîòðóäíèêà, áóäåò îáùàòüñÿ íà òåìó êëàññè÷åñêèõ øêîë ìåíåäæìåíòà.
Ïðàêòè÷åñêè ÂÑß òåîðèÿ, êîòîðóþ íàì äîëáèëè â óíèâåðñèòåòå – ñîâåðøåííî íå ïðèãîæäàåòñÿ â ðàáîòå. Ëó÷øå áû ïðàêòèêè áîëüøå äàâàëè. Âïðî÷åì, ýòî îñîáåííîñòü ìîåãî óíèâåðà. Îáùàþñü ñ ëþäüìè èç äðóãîãî – âîò òàì äåéñòâèòåëüíî ó÷åáà, à íå ÷òåíèå ëåêöèé... |
That's why I do not think that management is a science. And that's why I do physics.  _________________
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Ñîãëàñåí.
Íî òà òåòêà, âñå-òàêè, ïîêðàñíåëà îò ÿðîñòè À ÷åòâåðêà – ïëåâàòü íà ÷åòâåðêó. Íå ñûãðàåò ýòî êîãäà-ëèáî ðåøàþùåé ðîëè â ìîåé æèçíè. _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ  |
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anuta Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 02.11.2005 : 237 : Irkutsk-Daytona Beach-Philadelphia
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Âîò ÿ ïîìíþ ó íàñ â ÈÃÓ â ñåðåäèíå 90-õ ãã. ñòîëîâêà áûëà - æóòü, îäíî âðåìÿ òàì íàì ïîçû ïðîäàâàëè, ïðè÷åì ñêîëüêî ÿ íå ñòàðàëàñü, ìÿñà â íèõ òàê è íå íàøëà.  |
À â êàêîì èìåííî ÈÃÓ? Â ñìûñëå, ôàêóëüòåò êàêîé? Âðîäå òû ïèñàëà, íî ÷òî-òî çàáûë
ß ó÷èëàñü íà èñòôàêå.
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| ×åðò âîçüìè, à ìíå æóòêî íðàâèëîñü ó÷èòüñÿ, îñîáåííî ðàáîòàòü íà ñåìèíàðñêèõ çàíÿòèÿõ, òàì ñ äîêëàäàìè âûñòóïàòü è ïðî÷åå òàêîå. |
Ìíå íðàâèëîñü ëèøü ïî íåêîòîðûì ïðåäìåòàì, ïðåïîäàâàòåëè êîòîðûõ âåëè àêòóàëüíûå òåìû, à íå âñÿêóþ êðàñèâî íàïèñàííóþ åðóíäó èç òåîðèè òðåáîâàëè.
Òåìà ìîåãî äèïëîìà áûëà "Ñðàâíèòåëüíûé àíàëèç ðîññèéñêîé è àìåðèêàíñêîé ìîäåëåé ìåíåäæìåíòà". Ïîñëå äîêàëàäà îäíà æåíùèíà èç ÷ëåíîâ êîìèññèè, ëåò 55-60 íà âèä, çàäàëà âîïðîñ: "À ïî êàêèì øêîëàì ìåíåäæìåíòà Âû âåëè ñðàâíåíèå?"... Íà ÷òî ÿ îòâåòèë, ÷òî òåîðèÿ, êîíå÷íî, êðàñèâàÿ øòóêà, íî äàâàéòå ãîâîðèòü î ñóùåñòâóþùèõ íà ñåãîäíÿøíèé äåíü âåùàõ, à íå î òîì, ÷òî â êíèãàõ. Îòâåò ýòîò ïðèâåë åå ïðîñòî â ÿðîñòü È íå òîëüêî åå. Îäíà èç ïðè÷èí, ïî÷åìó ÿ ïîëó÷èë ÷åòâåðêó...
À íà îäíîì èç ïðåäìåòîâ íàì îáúÿñíÿëè ðàçëè÷íûå ñõåìû, êàê ìîæíî ñîêðàòèòü íàëîãîîáëàæåíèå, à íå åðóíäó, òèïà ÷òî òàêîå äîõîä è ÷åì îí îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò ïðèáûëè. Âîò ýòî íà ñàìîì äåëå èíòåðåñíî áûëî! Æàëü, ÷òî òàêèõ ïðåïîäîâ - ïî ïàëüöàì ïåðåñ÷èòàòü... Ãîâîðþ òîëüêî ïðî ñâîé èíñòèòóò. Î÷åíü ðàä, åñëè â äðóãèõ ëó÷øå. |
Ýíäðþ, à òû ãäå ó÷èëñÿ-òî ?  áûâøåì Íàðõîçå èëè ÈÃÓ?
Âîîáùå, ìíå âñåãäà áîëüøå íðàâèëèñü ïðàêòè÷åñêèå çàíÿòèÿ, à íå ëåêöèè. Èìåííî íà ïðàêòè÷åñêèõ ÷åìó-òî ìîæíî áûëî íàó÷èòüñÿ, à ëåêöèè.... Ìàëî êòî óìååò èõ èíòåðåñíî ïðåïîäíîñèòü.
Ñ ýêîíîìèêîé âîîáùå îòäåëüíûé ðàçãîâîð, òå ïðîôåññîðà, êîòîðûå âåëè â ãîäû ñîâåòñêîé âëàñòè ïîëèòýêîíîìèþ, ñåé÷àñ ìàíåäæìåíò ñ ìàðêåòèíãîì ïðåïîäàþò. ß ñîìíåâàþñü, ÷òî îíè âîîáùå-òî âñå ýòè íîâûå ìîäåëè ïîíèìàþò è ìîãóò èõ ýôôåêòèâíî ïðåïîäàâàòü. |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷

: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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| Ýíäðþ, à òû ãäå ó÷èëñÿ-òî ?  áûâøåì Íàðõîçå èëè ÈÃÓ? |
 ÈðÃÒÓ.
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| Âîîáùå, ìíå âñåãäà áîëüøå íðàâèëèñü ïðàêòè÷åñêèå çàíÿòèÿ, à íå ëåêöèè. Èìåííî íà ïðàêòè÷åñêèõ ÷åìó-òî ìîæíî áûëî íàó÷èòüñÿ, à ëåêöèè.... Ìàëî êòî óìååò èõ èíòåðåñíî ïðåïîäíîñèòü. |
Çîëîòûå ñëîâà!
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| Ñ ýêîíîìèêîé âîîáùå îòäåëüíûé ðàçãîâîð, òå ïðîôåññîðà, êîòîðûå âåëè â ãîäû ñîâåòñêîé âëàñòè ïîëèòýêîíîìèþ, ñåé÷àñ ìàíåäæìåíò ñ ìàðêåòèíãîì ïðåïîäàþò. ß ñîìíåâàþñü, ÷òî îíè âîîáùå-òî âñå ýòè íîâûå ìîäåëè ïîíèìàþò è ìîãóò èõ ýôôåêòèâíî ïðåïîäàâàòü. |
Ñîãëàñåí! À ïîòîì íà çàùèòå äèïëîìà ñîâåðøåííî èäèîòñêèå âîïðîñû çàäàþò, òàê êàê âñå èç íèõ äîëæíû ÷òî-íèáóäü ñïðîñèòü.
Âïðî÷åì, ÿ ïîèíòåðåñîâàëñÿ, êòî èç íèõ èìååò ïðàêòèêó ðàáîòû íà àìåðèêàíñêîì ïðåäïðèÿòèè, à íå ïðîñòî ñëûøàë îá ýòîì ãäå-òî èç êíèã . Íèêòî. Ñëåäîâàòåëüíî – íå ìîãëè îíè îáúåêòèâíî ñóäèòü î ìîåì ñðàâíèòåëüíîì àíàëèçå. _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ  |
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MaxiM Áóäóùèé àìåðèêàíåö

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ß êîãäà ó÷èëñÿ ó íàñ â âóçå ââåëè èíîñòðàííóþ ñèñòåìó îáó÷åíèÿ. Èçó÷àåøü ïðåäìåò äîìà, à íà ëåêöèè ïðèõîäèøü óæå ïîäãîòîâëåííûì, è, ÷òîáû çàäàòü âîïðîñû ïî òîìó, ÷òî òåáå íå ïîíÿòíî. Åñëè ïîíÿòíî, òî íà õðåíà òîãäà âîîáùå ïðèõîäèòü. Íî áûëè è èñêëþ÷åíèÿ, êîãäà íà ëåêöèè ïðîñòî çàñëóøèâàåøüñÿ ïðåïîäàâàòåëÿ, à ïîòîì, ïîñëå òàêîé ëåêöèè, ìîæíî ó÷åáíèê íå îòêðûâàòü. Íî òàêîå ðåäêî áûëî. _________________ MaxiM |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷

: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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Êàê íàçðåâàþùèé òîïèê îáçîâåì?  _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ  |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð

: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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Âïðî÷åì, ÿ ïîèíòåðåñîâàëñÿ, êòî èç íèõ èìååò ïðàêòèêó ðàáîòû íà àìåðèêàíñêîì ïðåäïðèÿòèè, à íå ïðîñòî ñëûøàë îá ýòîì ãäå-òî èç êíèã . Íèêòî. Ñëåäîâàòåëüíî – íå ìîãëè îíè îáúåêòèâíî ñóäèòü î ìîåì ñðàâíèòåëüíîì àíàëèçå. |
Òóò õèòðîñòü åñòü. Åñëè ïðåïîäû ÷òî-òî íå çíàþò â çàùèùàåìîì äèïëîìå, òî ìîæíî èì ïîëüñòèòü. Ñêàçàòü (äàæå áåç íàìåêà íà èðîíèþ!) ÷òî â ÑØÀ, êàê âû çíàåòå, âîò òàê è òàê. Ïðè ýòîì âåùàòü ïîñòîÿííî è óâåðåííî. Îíè áóäóò ñ ãîðäûì è íàäóâøèìñÿ âèäîì ñèäåòü è âíèìàòü, êèâàÿ. Ïîòîì çàäàäóò êàêèå-òî äåæóðíûå âîïðîñû. Òàê êàê îíè áóäóò ïîä äåéñòâèåì ëåñòè, âîïðîñû áóäóò ëåãêèå, è èõ áóäåò ìàëî. Òàê, ïî îáùåé òåîðèè. Íà âîïðîñû ëó÷øå îòâåòèòü êàê-íèáóäü, íî íå øîêèðóÿ. Ïðåäñêàçóåìî. Â èòîãå îíè âëåïÿò æèðíóþ ïÿòåðêó.  |
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